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#11 Baws



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Posted 10 September 2009 - 11:41 AM

I thought this thread was about the HQ Tango. I think that we have gotten off track.
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Posted 11 September 2009 - 10:42 AM

Yes, it seems that we have gotten way off track. Sorry for that.
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 02:19 AM

UP DATED July 5th


The Final Write UP: Below

So "FIRST and FOREMOST," This write up is NOT for the Beginner. What I'm going to suggest should only be done by a qualified modification kite shop or pro pilot.

I am a COMPETITION QUALIFIED PILOT purposely tweaking and getting all the performance out of this E 3 Kite that I possibly can!!!

Here's my E3 modification:

After reading this Posting and a Few others Before I flew My kite the first time. I had gone through the kite in the shop with a fine tooth comb. Realized a couple minor things I knew I would end up changing right away. I had my Friend fly a bit and sure enough we moved a few things around to SUIT the winds in the Ventura AREA. Kite flew well but was a bit too touchy at first in the high winds.

Moved the Upper bridal connection BELOW the top spreader connection, and the kite settled right in. Lowered the High wind Knot about 1.5 inches to slow the kite down. I had already moved it .5 inches lower in the shop. The KITE flew JUST FINE and was NOT Squirrely at all with the trim set this low and OUT!!!

For the Light wind days we Moved the Light wind knot Up just more than 3/8 of a Inch. We then added one extra hole inboard for the light wind set up for the stand out. Allowing the kite to fly in the 4MPH winds, short 50Lb lines with a bit of work. However this kite is still a bit heavy to have out there.

Hit the ground a few times and could see the weakness here and there in the kite. I have re-enforced the center spreaders on my E 3 the same way most people have on the E 2s. All in all a Great kite out of the Bag and with Little bridal adjustmnents it does better in handling etc.

I will also be making a second standout 1/?" shorter than the main one to add to the kite, same as so many have to the E 2, to see if the kite will trick better as well as roll up or track with less heavy handed turning. To come later in my next posting and fallow up writing.

There are a LOT of write ups Critiquing this kite on the net and not giving it great ratings. IT is a Beginner / Intermediate Kite that is the FIRST real stunt Kite for the Beginner who is usually Heavier Handed. Does not fly with Finger Tips etc. KEEP that in mind. IT is Not a Q Pro, or a Deep Space, it is an E 3!!! Period. It makes Great slow cordinated turns and flys stright and will suit any beginners needs as well as any intermediate out there.

It is a Fabulous Kite that I got to Tweak a bit as another person flew. I cant wait to get my Hands on it after my injury Heals Up a bit and fly it myself. THANK YOU AGAIN SLOW PRO for the time of flying my Kites and helping me out for the Day.

Part 2 Sept 8th

The center spreaders were re-enforced with Epoxy, Two wraps of Fiberglass Tape, One wrap in each direction for the tapes ply, 3/8th inches longer than the other. Heat Shrink Tape 3/8ths longer than the tape. To strengthen the Center Pin area as well, I added a Second Stand Off. To create a nice channel flow like the Q Pro and helps in the tricking and sail tention.

The Bridle was lengthened as far OUT from the Center "T" as possible by moving the knot to the extreme Bottom of the center Bridal Line. That took the tow point out about 1/4 of a Inch at the Center T.

The "Second" stand-out is now just under 1/8th inch shorter than the Main one. Not Quite 3/16ths though. To make the Second Stand-out, I used .118 solid carbon for the inner new stand off and the original is the one I cut down. So the weaker stand-off will flex a tiny bit in the sail that is tight as can be when it's all said and done.

This brought the kite into a much better sail tension as well as adding to the Tricking factor over all. The Kite easily stays in a Fade now and does not have a tendency to want to Nose out.

The Batten Is turned IN and placed on the Inside of the sail during set-up and flying as some of the Top Pilots I Know have come to do. This reduces one less line catching place along the kites back side. The Batten is also "CURVED" so the Point is Down towards the tip. Just look at it, It will make since easy enough.

I also have had to tighten the sail's tension at the wing tip's. My knots were moved in more than 1/8th of a inch. ALWAYS REMEMBER to tension your Tips before you put your stand-offs in. I also place my outer knot inside my sails leading edge so there is no place to catch a line on a tip.

Bridle movements: I moved the Upper Bridle below the top spreader connector. It is above the heat shrink on the leading edge. It helped when the kite is on its Back a Lot. Much easier as a whole to maintain the fade and back spins. However I have Broken my KEEL with my bridal mod's in flight doing the Comet...

With the Kite disassembled, at the lower spreader connector,The Lower Bridle is Moved UP to between the Lower spreader and the Batten holder. Remove the Lower Spreder APA fitting and Double wrap the leading edge with the Bridal. Just be sure to have the wrap come out the BOTTOM or Top on Both sides. Do this to both leading edges.

Now, your bridle tow point is moved outward approximately 1. to 1.2 inches. Depending on the amount of slack in the inboard movement from the Original factory set up, this movement of the tow point decreases the turn radius. This improves the sharpness of the response time to the lines and your hands.

The 15gram tail weight must be set at 1/2 to 1/4 inch above the Velcro or the tail sags too deep in a Fade to do easy Back spins. As the spin slowed down the tail would SAG too much, loosing the fade and all. I Personally suggest you play with your setting and see where "YOUR E 3 Kite" likes to sit simi-flat or just 1/2" tail down in a Fade position. Remember no more or the Back spin get tougher to do.

I hope this helps all who seek to tweak-out their E 3 kite.If you tweak-out your E 3, please let me hear from you. Have just as much fun as Always, Remember to Fly SAFE and keep those kites a Flippin'!

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#14 John Barresi

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 07:48 AM

Eddy, why have you posted about the E3 in an HQ Tango thread?

Tell me where it should go (instead), or I'll look to pull it.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 06:38 AM

Ok, going back to the HQ Tango thread. I bought a Tango shortly after I started flying as I live inland and winds are often light. Itís a good little kite, well built ( as most HQís are) and looks good in the sky. I think the lower end of the stated wind range Ė 1mph Ė is probably a bit ambitious in anything other than perfect coastal breezeís Ė I would say it has an honest bottom end of 2-3mph in genuine inland conditions. It will certainly take the 18mph top end, the higher the wind goes the faster it gets and it even generates a reasonable amount of pull for such a small kite Ė itís great fun on a windy day!. Itís also very durable considering the fact that itís fairly lightly built. Iíve never broken anything on mine, even after high speed crashes Ė occasionally a spreader has popped out of the LE fitting, but it has never broken. It tends to bounce rather than break.

Unfortunately, probably because of the light build, itís not a particularly good kite for learning tricks Ė especially for beginners. It can trick, but itís not very easy. It will do axels, backflips, fades and , with a bit of weight on the tail, flic-flacks just about. It takes some persuading to do tricks and I think a beginner would soon get frustrated.

To sum it up, itís a great little fun kite providing you donít want to get into tricks. If you do want to start doing tricks, get the HQ Jive Ė it will fly in winds almost as low as the Tango ( I was still flying mine in 2-3 mph the other day) but will do almost any trick in the book Ė itís a very underrated kite for the money.

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