JaseRicco

Thanks for the info. While perusing the “kites for sale” section, I see a few different variations of the 1.5; 1.5 Classic, 1.5 B Series(which you mentioned), 1.5 SUL, 1.5 SLE...differences? Is there one I should stick with as a beginner?

I currently have a dual line, Prism Quantum, which I enjoy flying very much. Thinking of picking up a used Rev Exp off the forum for my low wind days. Would this be a good beginner quad to learn on as I have never flown quad before? Are these kites really good for no/low wind? Thank you in advance for any advice.

Ya, I came to the realization today that this hobby is just not for me. I try to fly there's too many people, I try to fly wind is too high, I try to fly wind is too low. And today, to top it all off, I put a hole in the brand new kite that I just purchased, a kite that hasn't even been flown yet. So that was the straw that broke it. Ive been at this for two months and have had maybe 2 or 3 quality fly times, and that is certainly not for a lack of trying. So this hobby has become more frustrating than it is relaxing, which is not what I am looking for in a hobby. Gotta know your limitations. Kiting is relatively inexpensive enough to get into, so maybe 6 months a year down the line, $150 for an all around good kite and some accessories and I'm back in the game, with a better understanding of what it takes for this hobby.

1. Prism 25th Avviersary Quantum Radian Special Edition - Flown just a handful of times and is in excellent condition. Kite comes with: Dyneema 85' 150# lines w/ straps Dyneema 85' 100# lines w/ straps Dyneema 85' 50# lines w/ straps 2 40' Nylon tails. One is Orange and one in Purple, both match the kite 16ft Led Kite Tail All of this was roughly $200 including tax. Looking for $150 Includes shipping to CONUS. Specs: Wing Span: 84" Wind Range: 3–25 MPH Frame: .098 Pultruded Carbon Lower Spreaders: Putruded Carbon Upper Spreader: Pultruded Carbon Sail: Ripstop Nylon & Mylar Laminate Assembled Weight: 15.3oz (435g.) 2. Premier Osprey. Small hole that has been repaired with transparent repair tape. $30 including shipping to CONUS Let me know if more pics are needed.

Looks like the weight is off. When I first received mine I contacted Prism directly, and Keegan(Rep. at Prism) stated that the Quantum weight is 15.3oz / 435g

Thanks for the suggestion. Ill check to see if the leech line is attached to the bungee using a larkshead knot, if it is, that makes it a lot easier. Then the only decision will be whether or not I want to put a second hole in the kite.

Love it. Real eye catcher. Smooth flyer. Quality kite all around.

Interesting that we all have a similar "issue", but the hole on the Standards are a bit higher than mine. Not sure if this is a huge oversight that Flying Wings missed, or if we are looking to deeply on this "potential issue". I agree with what you are saying about the leech line being somewhat tucked into the recess of the wings on the kite. I think this gives a natural protection to the leech line. I'm not sure I am comfortable making a second hole in the velcro strap, nor do I have the tool for doing this, but good suggestion. If I got my hands on a soldering iron, I would make the hole where the velcro meets the V of the sail, which would most likely give the leech line as much protection as possible. But this would mean unknotting the leech line, making the hole, and re-knotting...not sure I want to get into that right yet.

Yes, certainly seems like an overlooked design flaw. I can't see any way that I would be able to thread the leech line inside the velcro strap without affecting something else, but I'm not to crafty to begin with. I'll keep thinking about it.

This is what I received from Flying Wings... "Good morning Jason, Yes, indeed, that is correct. The first generation SF 2.5 and SF 2.3, the Leach line were designed and built exactly like that. It is later on with the SF-Pro the leach line was enclosed inside the Velcro strap. Thank you very much for your enthusiasm with Flying Wing's Silver Fox kites! Best regards, Edward"

I composed that post while I was at work today, and was writing it tot he best of my recollection. After getting home and taking a look, there is in fact only one hole...you are correct. Just so I understand, the leech line on your 2.5 looks like the leech line on my 2.3 UL, and I should leave it the way it is.

Doh!!

Ok...I put a call into Flying Wings, the Rep. had me send some photos, and he said that he will be getting back to me soon. Let's see what they have to say.

That's great! Thanks

Apparently this manufacture did, beceause as you can see from the photos, there is no way for me to get the leech line on the inside of the velcro strap utilizing the hole that they have provided...just won't work. Are we thinking another defective kite? After further inspection, it looks like the problem is that they have the leech line threaded through the hole on the inside and outside of the velcro strap. I guess I can untie the leech line from the bungee and thread it through just the hole on the inside of the velcro strap, run it up and re-tie it to the bungee? Sound like a fix? Just not sure why they would have two holes...like it's meant to be on the outside.

It could also be that since mine is a UL, and should be flown in lower winds, they figure not much damage could come to the leech line.

I'll give them a call and see what they have to say about this. Ever spoken with they're customer service? Are they capable individuals?

Guess there's noting I can do about how I adjusted it now, unless you're telling me to untie the bungie to loosen, re-tie, and adjust the leech line how you have instructed me to. As far as the leech line being exposed on top of the velcro like it is, it came that way, I would assume from the factory. Unless the vendor I purchased the kite from adjusted it that way for some reason, but I don't see why this would be the case. Plus after inspecting the area, I don't see how the leech line could be under the velcro given how they have designed the velcro strap, the hole in the strap, and how they have threaded the leech line through that hole. Maybe they changed the design to a better one at some point.

The back does in fact have a velcro strap, leech line, and bungee. I pulled on the bungee until the leech lines at the nocks was taut, but then the bungee and leech line on the back loosened. So I untied and re-tied the bungee as shown in the circle. I know nothing of knots, so I didn't tie it back using any type of fancy knot, again shown in the circle...can't imagine that this will have an effect on anything as the knot seems sturdy.

Just so I understand, before posting another pic, I should have a combination of pic 2 & 3...taut tension and leech line, with tight leading edges and a smooth sail.

Yes, the kite was fully assembled as you can see in 2 & 4. Thank you for the advice though.

I think I may have figured it out. I posted a few pictures showing how I have secured the leech and tension lines. But when attacahing it the way I did, I run into two possible issues, which probably directly relates to what Edmund is talking about. Pic 1 shows the tension line taut so that the sail is tight and smooth pictured in Pic 2. The problem doing it this way is that the leech line seems so loose. Pic 3 shows the tension and leech lines taut, but then the sail is loose and bunched pictured in Pic 4. Leech line loose or tight, sail loose or tight...is there a wrong and right way here? Is there a reason I would keep it one way or the other?

Picked myself up a set of 50# and 100# lines today. Now I have 50, 100 and 150 # sets.

Ok, I received the Silver Fox 2.3 UL today, and it seems complicated to say the least. All I wanted is a kite that is good for low winds, and what I got is this techy, advanced and all too sophisticated kite. So lets start with what I hope is an easy question about tensioning the wing tip and we'll move to more advanced questions about weights, balasts and the color bead coded turbo bridle system(TBS) later on. The Zephyr, before I had to return it, had a wing tip tension and leech line that had to be tied. The Silver Fox, however, has a leech line that is already looped and knotted, and a wing tip tension that looks like it is semi-tied. On the Zephyr the leech line had to be tied because you could adjust it to your flying style. Since the leech line on the Silver Fox is already looped and knotted, I'm not sure why it's even there to do anything with. Why wouldn't it just be incorporated in the kite design like it is on the Quantum? I guess it doesn't really much matter as I would assume the leech line loop is simply just looped around the nock. The problem I am having is with the wing tip tension. I can't make heads or tales out of the directions, and have no idea what I am supposed to do with it. I posted some pictures of the wing tip tension line as well as the directions. I know it will be hard for someone to help me since it's obvious that different kites have different methods of securing wing tip tensions and leech lines. And it will be even harder given the fact that no one is here to physically help me. But have to give it a try anyway.

Good Looking kite...good to see you are happy with your kite choice. Don't think I have read a single negative comment about Lam's kites.