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Agree and part of wisdom is knowing to ask for help and advice from those with more experience and wisdom, till you know enough to give it to others yourself and the deep end where the bigger surf waves are is for those who built up the skill and strength to swim out there themself not to take shortcuts

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Still very useful including your ' look up the post I made 10 posts up " comment. Thanks

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Easy Cjay. I missed the post where you listed the different kite brands probably as several came in at once to my email so was rolling down not all the way up. I have now looked back up the post history and seen it, Sorry I through you were referring to another thread hence asking about it. That was my mistake Not trying having a go at you, you guys have been very helpful not trying to upset you guys. I quoted you about the brand listing as there was some confusion when I got the email version then was looking for the posted version which had been edited, having replied in a hurry to the email version, Riff was asking about it as the reference was not in the posts history hence quoting the last part of the original post. It was trying to clear up confusion. As said the mistake was thinking the reference to the brand kit list you mentioned was part of a different thread not 10 post up as you said, which now Ive done and thought opps. As said the comment 'More info helps with better decision making, more so good sources for said info.' was just saying basic wisdom it does help to have more info in any circumstances to make better eventual decisions whatever it is . It was not having a go at you. Likewise mentioning cross referencing, that's just common good practice and I was more referring to various people saying the BQ4 Fluxx being fine or too much for said nephew, then as you say making decsions based on the balance I suggested the kid bit as several beginner sections I have seen across various forums seem to miss that out and it seemed a good idea to suggest as many cases the beginner is a small child and it helps those not experienced like you to ask about that . Bearing in mind many will be clueless hence coming to forums like this to get some advice from those in the know, once gained can pass it on. Safety is a big issue there its not so much about parent responsibility more like clueless parents trying to be responsible by trying to get clued up, everyone was that clueless beginner once and maybe having had a go or their kids wanting to need to get clued up. I figured if im doing this there would be many others doing the same who dont know about a safe age, they want to get the kids into int so by late teens and 20s will be flying around kite surfing and impressing others by getting them in early, but need to know how early they can do it and safely thats all As said thanks for the help and appreciate it. And As I get more experienced and more clued up will pay it forward as I expect said nephew to and help others

cjays original post emailed to me said, ' I think if I have to provide a safety disclaimer for this guide that I will probably just delete it, as a disclaimer isn't going to give anyone common sense that doesn't have it already. I think a HQ Symphony Pro 1.3 foil kite is a decent smaller frameless option for beginners to get going on. Gives a good feel, some similar basic turning controls, it doesn't pull too hard, and can be flown in decently stronger winds. It can be sort of fast, and when you crash the foil can sometimes turn inside out and twist the lines up so it is easier to have a second person to help re launch. I had a whole section on kite brands by size with some details to compare. Ultimately a person has to use reasoning and information that is available here and there to choose a kite. '

More info helps with better decision making, more so good sources for said info. Hence asking here then making the decisions based on that. You mentionend I had a whole section on kite brands by size with some details to compare. Can we have the link to that please? Also helps to cross reference info from different sources. Thanks for info about the symphony kites crashing, would be good to find out about other kits and brands. Can you sdd thst link to

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Just been doing that... See my thread I was looking at the 1.2 m Cross Air (Wrist Loops) The 1.3m BQ Symphony Beach 3 (Can come with Write loops or a bar (Bar about £17 more) or And the 1.3m BQ4 Fluxx Comes with Bar and can Get a kite killer strap... But look at the replies Ive been getting from those who know more than me/. If in the UK These are advice I got from Stores Thnx for your email with questions. To put it simple: all the kites you mentioned are OK for an 8 year old kid. It is the size of the foil in combination with the wind that gives the kite its power and speed and really all, I repeat all, are very similar in that way. Flying with straps gives you the possibility for more precise steering, flying with a bar does not give you the same precise steering options, but it is a bit easier to handle and looks a bit more professional. Neither of these kites will pull the chap away unless he flies during a hurricane, he will need a bit of practicing during low winds for a start and ofcourse a bit of help and support from his uncle... perhaps... 😉. Kites flown with a bar are called Trainer Kites, the word says it all. Only with a Trainer Kite a safety leash or kite killer makes any sense, because it is connected with the flying bar and the pilot's wrist, it doesn't work while flying with straps... With any kite, considering his age and flying level, he needs to start in low winds and practice with some help, that will make it pure fun for him and when he is a bit handy he will fly the kite all by himself within 15 minutes and ask for a larger and more powerful kite within 7days, you will find out 😊 Best regards, Pierre Paar | Kitesurge www.kitesurge.com Hi The Fluxx will have a higher pull due to the sail profile and carries a 14 plus rating so I would suggest either the Symphony Beach Sport 1.3(with bar) or the regular Symphony Beach 1.3 both are rated 8+. In terms of control i.e bar or straps its down to personal choice but if you want to fit a kite killer it will be easier with the bar Best Regards Stephen Kiteworld sales@kiteworld.co.uk Hi We have just received an update from the manufacturer of the Cross Air 1.2 and 1.5 and unfortnately delivery has been delayed and we cannot yet give an eta on these A similar kite to consider would be the HQ Symphony Beach 1.3 https://www.kiteworld.co.uk/acatalog/HQ-Symphony-Beach-III-1-3-Power-Kite-1.html#SID=23 Best Regards Stephen Kiteworld sales@kiteworld.co.uk Hi If you look at the Cross Kites Air range, either the 1.2 or 1.5 are aimed at the 8 plus age bracket, obviously as a retailer we cannot suggest you go against a manufacturers age recommendation. These are well proven kites and perform very well. We are temporarily out of both sizes but have more on the way and these should be here around the end of this week, I have attached a link to details below https://www.kiteworld.co.uk/acatalog/Cross-Kites-Air-1.html Any quad line kite would be too much for an 8 year old to handle both in terms of power and control Best Regards Stephen Kiteworld sales@kiteworld.co.uk Hi Chris, Thank you for contacting us. The Sting 1.2m² is an option for your 8 years old nephew, although it might be limited in use due to the power it generates when the wind would pick up. The Big Buzz might be a better option with a wider range of use in different types of wind and still give him the trills of feeling the power generated by the kite. Although the Big Buzz is a 2-line kite it is still great fun and the option for self launch and relaunch with a little bit of training. The Sting 1.2m² won’t come back into our product range, the new Sting that will be available in a few week’s time will be the 2.4m² in size so that would definitely be too powerful. The Big Buzz is also planned to come back on stock at the same time as the Sting since we sold out our entire stock in the last few weeks. Many thanks, Peter Vanden Bussche Sales Operator Flexifoil International ltd www.flexifoil.com

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Thanks is there some sort of formula or calculation to equate them, ie 1.5m sport = 1 m powerkite? Also I tried to ask about wind socks and wind meters but it went a bit pear shaped and duplicated the, Was wording how useful these would be to start with? Which is better and which is the priority to have? Whats good and worth it? What s over kill and whats kak Whats needed and useful and bonus features, for both? How big should a wind sock be and how high up? And are the likes of ebay and Amazon wind socks and poles fine and more so are the like of £10-£12 Amazon/Ebay wind meters any use? Etc

How do I clear duplicate posts, the last one just continued sending then made a bunch of copies, tried to delete them but cant see where

Are the likes of £10-£12 wind meters on Amazon/ebay any good? And which is more useful starting out, wind sock or wind meter. Also how big should a wind sock be the be useful and how long should the pole be in height. Any features to look for?

^Thanks he is my nephew and I certainly want him to want more but not get cocky like someone who gets an early win at poker tthen thinks he can handle it with the bad boys or 1 did a 2 foot surf now I can join the 20 year olds on the 10 footer :-)... Step by step learn to handle step 1 be fore 2 and 2 before 3 not 1 easy lets try 10 ... 🙂