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Thanks Frob and CJay, fantastic insight and just what I needed. I think I'll go with the KHK Skycraper (rebranded Widow NG). Can't beat the price and your point on spare/replacement parts is well taken. I've only heard good things about KHK customer service so I'll go that direction. Also, I am looking for some good pull, love hearing that its loud and especially like the idea of having a versatile, tough kite to learn on. I've read on other posts that people feel fine handing over the reins on a widow to a beginner, which is something I naturally do when at the beach with friends, so thats another major pro for me. Thanks all! I'll probably be searching for a light wind ultralight sooner than later and will start my research here. David

Thanks, Zuul. Great info. Skyscaper is how I was leaning before finding this forum so thank you for confirming. Before I pull the trigger, I'm wondering what the difference is between it and the ITW Hydra which is still on sale at $112, or if others have recommendations. I read some good things about the Hydra and Kymera on here, but dont know enough to determine if those offer similar versatility with room to grow or if I should learn on something like the Skyscraper and graduate to the hydra, kymera or something else.

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Hi there, I'm a new member hailing from Charleston, SC and am seeking recommendations for a solid, versatile first framed delta dual line kite. Hopefully I'm using the right terminology there... I've been flying kites since I was a little kid, and have some experience with different framed kites (the Flexifoil psycho my uncle had many years ago comes to mind), but my experience is primarily with foils of all sizes. These days I'm essentially a weekend warrior, beach flyer. I absolutely love taking my foils out to the beach and getting yanked around in the sand or while out in the waves. I was looking to get an even bigger foil and recently picked up a Slingshot B3 which may give me the push to finally try out kiteboarding, something I've been interested in, but I digress... As noted, I'm seeking advice on a versatile first framed kite. I saw my uncle this weekend who originally got me into kites, and he said I've got to get a delta type to add to my quiver, so here I am. While I may eventually want to learn some of the more intricate tricks I've seen in videos, I'm really looking for a nimble, precise and versatile kite that I can fly mostly at the beach and put on a show. I also enjoy teaching friends how to fly, which means I should likely get something tough; however, if I do get something harder to fly, I can always break out the foils for them! I enjoy the speed and pull of the foils, but have pretty much maxed out on the tricks I can pull there. So over the past few days I've looked at Into the Wind, Kitty Hawk Kites, and other sites for framed kites. Every time I do some research and get close to pulling the trigger on a kite, I end up reading about others and simply cant make up my mind! The Prism Quantum and the Kitty Hawk Skycraper were two that seemed to fit the bill: versatile, tough, larger wind range, but now I'm wondering if I should shoot a little higher for something else, having read posts here about the ITW hydra or kymera, and about the NG widow, or some of the HQs I looked into like the Stormy Pete. Given my experience, albeit focused on parafoils, I wouldn't consider myself a complete beginner which has led me to think I should try something that will allow me to grow into as a flier. Based on what I've read, probably one of the larger wings is my best bet, but I welcome any and all guidance! Oh, and I'd like to keep it under $200. My apologies for the long post and likely on an over discussed topic (insert beat a dead horse gif), but I appreciate any ideas members may have! Thanks, David