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I have a good quality 11 foot keeled delta. I have flown it many times in extremely light winds, nursing it up by careful line management. I have also flown it in strong enough winds that I have struggled to bring it back down. I thought I was familiar with it in all its many moods. Today, I was trying to get it to fly in a very fitful teasing breeze. The wind was so weak that I couldn't be quite sure which way it was coming from. I threw tufts of grass in the air and they fell vertically. However, I could see some rustling in the leaves at the top of the nearby trees, so I knew there was something up there if only I could hook it. I therefore went for a long line launch and after several attempts, the kite started to pull reasonably strongly and I was feeding out line carefully and getting some decent height. Within a few minutes, I had it a hundred metres or more up and it was flying at a slightly lower angle than usual. Then suddenly it started to pull and climb, and after a minute or two it was exactly vertically overhead. It was not in a glide (I've had that before) but it was actually pulling. I then realised that it had gone slightly beyond directly overhead - it was slightly behind me. The line was going up in front of me, then curving BACK towards the kite and the kite was still pulling - not hard, but definitely trying to take line and go higher. For the first time in a long time, I found myself worried about something going dangerously wrong. I estimate I had 100 - 150 metres of line out, and I was less than that distance from a road in one direction and houses in another direction. In theory, these were both safely behind me and "up wind" but the kite seemed determined to go that way. To reduce the risk, I walked steadily away from the hazards. The kite continued to pull and remained almost exactly overhead, but sometimes changing its direction of heading. A couple of minutes later, the moment had passed. The wind had dropped and the line was sagging down to a less spectacular angle. I have had a kite glide and over-fly before, but this was not gliding it was pulling. I wondered about thermals, but I was in a grassy field and there were no areas of tarmac, concrete, water, roofs, etc. that might have caused a strong updraft. Has anyone come across this before? Any suggestions? I like to think of myself as an experienced kite flier, but this was outside my experience.

New Tech 6.5-ft Cascade Delta - Summer Colors SKU: 50350 Sail: Ripstop Nylon Frame: Fiberglass Size: W 78" x 180" / 198 x 457cm Wind Range: 5-20mph Flying Line: 50# Line Included* Tail: Wide Streamers I love this kite! Put the spreader in, attach the line, and let her soar! This keelless delta will fly nearly overhead, but won't overfly due to it’s three long flo-tails. Once overhead, this kite does not pull hard, and you can hand it to your three-year-old. No longer made by New Tech. (Probably now only available from Kite Guys.) Never flown! You can have this kite one of two ways: Stock— as is, right out of the bag! Suitable for winds of 5–10 mph. (*Line upgraded to 100# hollow-braided dyneema Dacron with heavy grip winder/handle.) Beach ready— Suitable for both light and stronger winds. I remove the tie loop and make an adjustable bridle, waxed for grip. I’ll do it for you or tell you how! == All you have to do to be entered to win is reply to the post titled **KARMA** and say “I’m in!” == I’ll give it 2 weeks, and then I’ll use the RNG to choose the winner. I’ll grab the post # (in the upper right corner) from your initial post to input. Only the first post where you join will count in the drawing. I’ll post the winner and ask them to PM me a shipping address. Now here’s where the Karma comes in. IF YOU WANT TO JOIN TO WIN, YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO PAY IT FORWARD! If you are the winner of this just made lineset, PM me a shipping address and I’ll send it to you anywhere in the lower 48 US States. Then IT”S YOUR TURN! You must start a new post with the title just like this one. **KARMA** And give something away! It can be a hat, a kite stake, a kite or anything kite related. Some winners will give small prizes, and some will give larger, but it’s all about the giving. Give away something that you would like to receive. When you do your random drawing, post the winner and ask them to PM you an address, and send out their prize! Now it’s their turn! Some rules and guidelines: Don’t play unless you’re willing to put up a prize and ship it to whoever wins. Shipping is paid by the original poster, the winner pays nothing. Be prepared to ship your prize anywhere in the lower 48 US States. Sorry, but due to shipping costs, we really have to limit this to the lower 48 US States. RULE CHANGE (7/31/2014): Members from Canada, Alaska, and Hawaii are welcome to enter the Karma drawings provided they are willing to pay half of the Karma prize shipping cost. The method and timing of the payment will be agreed upon between the two parties after the drawing for a particular prize. You can choose the length of the giveaway, but keep it between 1 and 2 weeks. Try to ship the prize promptly. You should be able to ship it within a week, but if you can’t, PM the winner and let them know. Sometimes life gets in the way! This whole thing works on the honor system so if there are any problems shipping or receiving a prize, it needs to be worked out between the two parties. Don’t forget…Karma! This isn’t a competition, but feel free to be generous! If you can only put up a hat, or a tail for a stunt kite, great! If you have something in your kite bag that you never fly and would be willing to ship, that’s great too. Either way, the people that join to win it will appreciate it. When you receive your prize, post a thank you to the thread where you won it. The thread will be locked after that point so the new **KARMA** stays above it. Good luck, and have fun! entrants: 1. zachprism01 2. Paramedic 3. Mikelp3586 4. Mike Klaiber 5. Materdaddy 6. Ed Ang

Hello all, I acquired a kite a few years ago, and have been trying to figure out how to put it together since I got it. So far I've had no luck. The kite is a Joel K Scholz Signature Series Delta; the 20' Raptor to be precise. It came with a bag of carbon rods, but they all seem to be different sizes. Do any of you happen to have plans, or a diagram that shows how to assemble one of these things? I'd love to put it together and see it up in the air. It looks beautiful. Thanks for any help! I appreciate your time. -Steve

Hey Y'all, it's time to let some go. We have twins due in September and not enough house for them and all my hobbies. I guess I'll give priority to the babies. Anyhow, these look like the ones that don't make the cut. Prism Tensor 3.1 has been flown once. Has dye marks on the back of the sail, apparently from the lines, but is 100% functional. $250 SOLD Prism Micron 5 Stack x2) As far as I can tell the sails are identical. One set has ripstop tails, the other has plastic tails. $175 each. $300 for the pair Gomberg Super Sled (Yellow/Black), pennant tail, 2 transition tails, ITW 11' Squid, 200'x200# line and sand anchor, 2 spiral worms. $150 Prism Stylus 2.8) I don't remember if I've ever had this one up in the air. No lines $75 HQ DeltaHawk, I've not flown this DeltaHawk yet. I was planning on stacking it with the other, but it never happened. No lines. $20 shipped with anything from above. Non-Smoking home, prices include CONUS shipping. I can take further pictures of anything that you are interested in and may even have time tonight to spread out them out.

Just returned from the Wildwood Kite Festival and discovered my teenage daughters had a great time learning to fly dual line stunt kites. While there, i pulled out a couple of old beetles to let them practice but that didn't last long. On both of them, the spreader connection broke after a couple of collisions. So now I'm in the market to replace them. I've had the Beetles for awhile and was wondering if any of you would chime in with first-hand experience with any new beginner models released since the Beetles. I'm looking for a delta, two-line stunter with a good wind range, not too quick, preferably under $80. Thanks in advance, Phil