Cross Kite Air 1.3m - VS/OR - HQ Symphony Beach 3 - 1.3 m Trainer kites . What Exactly are differences? For a 60lb 8 year old Total NewbieBy Spikey
This is an extension of my earlier post to try and narrow things down between the last two kites
I was looking at the:
BQ Symphony Beach 3 1.3m Cross Kite Air 1.3m B4Q Flux 1.3m
Trainer kites as a first introduction for my soon to be 8 year old nephew (Weight 60 Lb) to be used in parks safely and teach basics and get him interested in upgrading to power kites.
Thanks guys for eliminating kites bigger than this for safety reasons.
The B4Q Fluxx looked good with a bar control which would help having the same controls as bigger kites and safety leash kite killer, but is DOUBLE the price of the other two and may have more pull.
So currently looking to decide between the other two trainer kites, both look very similar so trying to narrow things down feature and flying control wise etc.
Does anyone know what specific differences there are between the two if any? They are both appear to be :
The same size Look to have same controls Pretty much same price
But I cannot get a more detailed feature list for either like construction, do both lack the means to eject sand? Build quality or is it just the Cross Kites air missing this feature, how do both fly? anything else to narrow things down? What wactly are the differences and selling points between these two similar kites.
As said this is to be given to a clueless never flown kites before 8 year olds birthday who is a very light 60 lb / 27 kilo with equally clueless parents in regards power kites, to be taken to parks and fields surrounded by trees on uneven ground in North London UK outskirts near Trent Park, Enfield, Southgate, Oakwood if you are familiar with those areas.
Also what other accessories would be wise to get like tent pegs, knee pads, etc and can these kites be adapted to bar control later and if so how much would that be in UK pounds
By Jake :)
Hi so I am new here and I currently fly a prism E3 and have a decent amount of dual line experience. I saw revs and I knew I had to get one for summer break. But I am really not sure which one to get. I would like one that I can learn on and then move up to a-lot more advanced things. I really want the full experience. I have never owned or flown a rev before and any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks - Jake
3/4 of a year ago my old time kite guru from the end of the nineties, @Anders Matson, suddenly surfaced on KiteLife and back "into existence" (a very subjective statement on my side) last summer after say 18 years. Anders lives on the west coast, while I live on the east coast (of Sweden i.e.). About a month ago he kindly sent me an animation and an illustrated document describing a QLK kite routine and when I asked he allowed me to share them (they are attached at the end of this post). The kite routine will be performed as a part of the 20th anniversary celebrating Nordic Kite Meeting ( http://kites.aerialis.no/its-getting-closer/ ). This meeting will coincide with the Blokhus - Lökken wind festival on the north west coast of Denmark ( https://www.facebook.com/BlokhusLoekkenWindFestival/?hc_location=group ).
This is how I, an absolute quad team (sub-) rookie, approached the routine documents. As there are no serious (non power) kiters around me I had to practice this without a team. In fact, there a no other framed QLKs in this part of the country that I know of and the only framed QLKs I have ever seen are my own. I got the first one, a Rev. B-series 1.5 Std., in June 2017. My two months of intensive QLK started out a month later. This intensive training period was due to (should I really say thanks to?) the missed JB QLK-clinic that happened to take place reasonably geographically nearby (in Denmark), which to my knowledge never has happened before. Feeling frustrated, I set out a goal to at least compensate through intensive practice for this missed opportunity of learning - I raced against imaginary fellow QLK pilots and stopped doing DLKs for the duration of this period. Not until that point that the clinic was over did I return to do DLKing again or rather from that time I did both disciplines.
Some remaining questions:
What are the most common beginner difficulties? Are there any other things that I missed preparing for (see further down below)? Are there standard routines that are well known and spread so that people can be more prepared for spontaneous formation/team flying at festivals? Where can you today find advice on getting stated (other than the below). Is there a standard vocabulary that a "skipper/captain"(?) would use (talk/shout) when coordinating a group?
Initial impression/digestion of the routine description
After going through the Anders Matson routine material several times, I realized that I needed to to work with the material in some way to remember it more easily. I looked for sequences that were/could be grouped together and found that the landings formed natural start and endings of the sub sequences. There are several landings in the routine. I believe that this matches well with the designers intention of the routine to be inclusive and allow reasonably skilled QLK pilots to join in, since the landings should serve to collect and synchronize the group (I believe). Even if it has been designed to be available to everyone that can control a QLK, it is certainly not the case (IMO) that you can do this well without practicing.
Below is a condensed terse form of the routine that Anders sent me. It contains much of the info, but not everything and is therefore not "stand alone" from the other attached documentation.:
RHS Right hand side
LL Landed line
HL High line
CCW Counter clockwise
FYK Follow your kite. This will prevent that the kite lines (kite to kite i.e.) get twisted around each other.
ML Mid (height)line
OL Offsetted line - the right half is at 60% of wind window and the left is at 40% height.
GRID A kite double line - two rows and several columns
RSRP Rotate step rotate pause: From horizontal pos. turn 90deg to side, wump sideways one step, rotate 90deg to horizontal.
When reaching an end of the line, drop or rise vertically with the LE remaining in orig. direction.
The pace of this part is: And rotate, and step, and rotate, and pause
WGRID Widen grid
LL - Repeat 4: WAVES(fr. RHS) - LL
Repeat 2: LL - ARCHES - LL
LL - Repeat 2: CIRCLES(fr. RHS, CCW, FYK, LE forward) - LL
LL - ML - OL(FYK +/-2step, form CCW) - GRID - OL - GRID
Repeat until orig pos. (CW, FYK): RSRP
LL - Repeat 4: WAVES - LL
Repeat 2: LL - ARCHES - LL
LL - Repeat 2: CIRCLES - LL
LL - ML - OL - GRID - OL - GRID
1 lap: RSRP
or even shorter
1 lap: RSRP
Mental images for avoiding line tangles
The largest worry of managing to do the routine well was flying with others and this thing about getting the lines tangled - the flight pattern of the kite was something that I could practice. Simply how did the line thing work when flying in a team? Anders had clearly drawn how the pilots should move on the ground, but it didn't feel like it was a good general way to just memorize it. I therefore sought a model that one can "always" apply. First I imagined that the pilots movements were an in the horizon mirrored image of the kites movements. That was a valid image but was to complicated for me to to function in real time when practicing the routine. The next picture I made to avoid line tangle was to follow the shadow of the kite on the ground (provided that it was a back lit kite). This was easier to remember. After the second routine training session I narrowed it down to just follow your kite (sideways). The down wind/up wind (ground) movements didn't need a mental image. It is intuitive - when you want the kite to go down you walk towards it when you want it to rise you walk backwards.
Line set choice, handle adjustments and general wind challenge identification
First action to get prepared for the event was to start using the (completely?) unused 40m line set, since Anders recommended 35m to 40m lines for the routine. Handling this new line gives me Climax (the line manufacturer i.e.) yellow left index finger tip when winding the line set up.
The so far three 40m line practice sessions I have had here revealed some wind related possible problems. If the wind dips and/or there is ground turbulence, keeping the place of the kite in the (imagined) formation became difficult without much upstream movement/backing. To create more margin I moved the larks head in from the outermost position on the top leaders a couple of knots closer to the middle of the knot range. I imagine that one easily could cause disorder in the team if some of the members started to run backwards. I expect that the first ones to run backwards are those whose kites are lowest in the formation, because the wind is typically lower there. When they try to back the other pilots might not have the same need, because they got more wind as the kites are higher up.
On the other hand, in the upper part of the wind range the challenge is another one. There maintaining position or a stable slow pace in the strongest gusts in a carefully planned way was the challenge.
Nowadays I don't mind making a mixed DLK/QLK session as in this image from my latest session to prepare for the routine. I believe it increases the over all efficiency if one aims to progress in both types of kiting. I also think that the colours of my 1.5 B-series mid vent and my Level One Oneleven match very well.
Drills related to the routine
The stand by position of a quad IMO is inverted. It is the easiest position to hover the kite in light wind. For me (and for many others I assume) it is also the stable position that minimizes any kite movement. Compared to any other hover, the inverted just looks best for me. It doesn't stop there, I see the inverted slides as the easy one and most often end up doing this rather than the non-inverted. This means it makes sense to practice the very basic regular hover since the routine is 100% free of any inverted hovers and other inverted moves.
The waves and the arches
Not much to say about flying forward and up. What requires some practice is to fly backwards and down as fast as possible in some possibly turbulent winds without having the kite wobbling.
Initially I assumed that you flow the circle much like a DLK. It was then quite straight forward, only the part around "07:30" in the CCW circles needed some finishing. Then during a mid vent session in a high wind period not really suited for the mid vent I dropped the assumption that the kite was choosing the speed and then more slowly positioned the kite along the circle. Now it became a challenge and a more thorough preparation for the event.
The formation, execution and end of the grid
This is the most challenging part, both in complexity (to remember) and skill of kite moves required. Apart from memorizing the paths/patterns, several things needed practice here:
The snappiness of the 90deg clockwork like rotations.
Maintaining the height in turbulent winds when being in the lower row of the grid.
Doing the vertical slide upwards quickly (I originally thought this was very necessary and the single most demanding part).
Keeping track of the four steps (backward/forward) required when doing the vertical slides.
I have not been happy with my clockwork's snappiness. Now it is high time to start working on it. If one use flicking movements of the (lower side of the) handle. Then the kite movement will be snappy as well. If you inputted the right amount of start and stop movement of the handles you just made as successful snappy 90deg kite rotation. Still working on reliably avoiding wobble here.
My first idea of the pace of the steps (the above RSRP) of the grid was a 1-2 or a 1-2-3, but Anders informed me that it was much slower: and rotate, and step, and rotate, and pause. When thinking the 1-2 or the 1-2-3 option was the case, I saw it as a problem to be able to do the vertical slide upwards quickly enough. Speed of the upwards vertical slide might still be required so this is something I practice. So a general rule of thumb to counteract the DLK steering effect when setting the left/right kite angle to drive the kite sideways (in the direction of the LE) is to add to LE angle by twisting the left/right handles in opposite directions. In other words, enhance the LE slide angle (that is set by extending one arm) by twisting the handles relative to each other. Pretend that you have the top of the handles connected with a rubber band that you want to stretch as much as possible by adding a twist to the handles. Being aware that this is what you do in a slide to maintain the orientation of the kite, enabled me to exaggerate hand movements/positions and run upwind and still keep the kite orientation in the upwards slide.
To make my muscles remember this I did an exercise. I let the kite do an upside down "U" while sliding from left to right and keeping the LE pointing outwards. In the straight parts of the "U", both up and down, angle the top of the handle that you keep closest to you so that the handle top comes even closer to you, while on the extended arm angle the top of the handle from you. In the curved part of the upside down "U" reduce the relative twist of the handles.
The second exercise I had that was related to the grid was also geared towards the vertical slides. I pretended the team consists of two or four persons so that the part of the time I did the vertical slides increased. The steps of the grid was then repeated over and over and over.
After the latest training session I came to the realization that this art sometimes requires a sacrifice.
Finally, before publishing this post I got the bright idea to read what other experienced pilots have written:
http://www.rehilliard.net/pdf/AKATeamFlyingManualbyTroyGunn.pdf (thanks again A. for the link)
Ouch, there were many issues with coordinating with others in the above links, this is a bit hard to do on your own. Perhaps I'll try to do the mini kite on a stick anyhow to rehearse the routine (for the event above) as also recommended in the links above. Perhaps it is more efficient for learning than the compressed terse text form is? But on the other hand, writing/reading text during a public transportation ride doesn't look funny, while waving a stick kite could. In an unrestricted wish list, there would be an online common stick practice simulator with verbal communication option, so that at least that aspect of team flying without distant travelling could be covered. Perhaps a (sub set of a) FPS like WASD/mouse control input for controlling your online kite?
Rev rutin BLOKHUS.mp4
By John Barresi
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