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#1 Mike Gillard (RIP)

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Posted 01 December 1998 - 04:01 AM

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PVC buggy plans
>Sorry guys, I do not have my plans available yet. Nevertheless, in my
>pseudo-scientific assessment, working with pvc is like playing with tinker
>toys. Buy a 10ft length (or more for when you screw up) of schedule 80 pvc, 1"
>diameter. Purchase a generous assortment of T's, 90 degree couplings, and 45
>degree couplings. Don't go cheap and buy the schedule 40 fittings unless you
>absolutely cannot afford or find the schedule 80's. Buy tubing cleaner,
>sandpaper, hacksaw, plumbing glue or a strong polyurethane glue, and go to town
>on it. (just don't glue it together until you want to try to ride it)
>Measure the width of your own butt--ok, that's a great place to start out with
>the width of the frame. The back "axle" flexes too much? 1) reduce the width of
>that axle anywhere from 40" to around 32" 2) or, insert a diameter of 6061
>aluminum or stainless to match the inside diameter of the pvc. 3) still too
>much flex, abandoned pvc and jig together a metal frame.
>Front wheel wobble? Try adjusting the front tube length and angle. If in the
>end, pvc doesn't work for you, at least you have a good start on a buggy design
>model. At this point buy the stainless, or aluminum, take the pvc buggy and
>precut metal tubes to your welder and tell him/her that you want a metal one
>just like the plastic one. (or discover that you have waisted too much of your
>time and buy a used buggy)
>Dirt enemas anyone? If you have not taken the precautions and properly
>cleaned/glued the tubing, and/or reinforced high-stress areas with tubing
>inserts, you eventually will be ass-dragging behind your foil. PVC impalement
>is an ugly way to die. (Now here's my disclaimer, I don't necessarily endorse
>the use or reliability of PVC. I'm only a play-thing builder. Don't go buying
>PVC, screwing up on your project, and filling up landfills or littering beaches
>with discarded pipe.)
>Cheers, Ryan
One inch diameter PVC is way too small. Stiffness goes up as the 4
power of diameter, wall thickness helps but outside diameter is the
driver. I have used the PVC buggy designed and built by Ken Serak. It
was entirely satisfactory. I have seen many tandem units using PVC
also. They were all made of 3 inch diameter PVC. Schedule forty was ok
for the pipe but schedule eighty was required for the fittings. Ken
and I are both over two hundred pounds and the buggy was strong enough
for us. Unfortunately Ken had to quit buggying before he had made all
the refinements he had in mind for his buggy. Check out my web page
http://www.techline.com/~lord for some pictures of this PVC buggy.
Lose the one inch PVC and go to three inch.
Dave Lord
We ran a story on a great home-built buggy in a recent issue of KiteLife.com
in our Sept. issue. http://www.kitelife.com/sept98/

How do you find the difference in terms of speed and feeling. I'm a windsurfer
with Kite Buggy and ski experience and am considering buying a surfboard
special for kitesurfing?
Are the water starts easier than windsurfing? Do you need more than 15mph of
wind to have any fun. I use a traction 3.3?
Though I've never mastered Windsurfing, I've been kitesurfing for a few years.
Its a hell of a lot easier than windsurfing. With the kite pulling up as well
as whatever direction down wind, you realy can't help but be pulled up. With a
3.3m foil you'll need ALOT of wind, probably 20mph will do. I recomend a biger
kite. I started with a 7m foil, then moved up to a 8.5m wipika. You can surf
in down to 10-12mph but it realy takes 15 to kick butt.
I started with a wakeboard. They're easy to come by new and they're cheap. (
about $180) You may know somone who's got one already that you can use to try
it out on a windy day.
Join our kitesurfing email list!
Josh Young <o1withwind@aol.com>
>What is the process involved in launching and getting your self up
>when you are in the water? I have always wondered how people lauch
>there kites from the water.
There are two schools on the water relaunch issue. They follow the to main
kinds of kites used for kite surfing. The kiteski system uses a Banshee kite
(large framed kite) where the lines must be rolled up with a special control
bar then the kite is tossed into the air and lines are let out. The wipika
system uses a big single skinned kite called the Wipika which is framed with
pressurized Air bladders. To water launch this kite you just tug on the lines
a little and it will flop around, reorient itself and jump into the sky. It's
acctualy kinda hard to keep this kite down, and requires practice to land
If you're Thinking about trying kitesurfing a good traction foil will work just
don't crash it in the water. Then if you love it go get a relaunchable kite.
Josh Young <o1withwind@aol.com>
Mike Gillard

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