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Well, maybe this topic should be in the KAP forum, but we got to ask - 

did you ever flew a kite where you felt you shouldn't?

We did a kite aerial photography session above a cemetery - and it felt wrong ... our plan was to fly the kite directly above it ant to shoot straight down, but we just couldn't do that - so we flew the kite beside the cemetery ... it was like we were invasive and disrespectful ... like the fun that goes with flying a kite was somehow inappropriate for the place.

Had any of you a similar experience?

 

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In the alley, behind the local bar, line going across the railroad tracks, within 3/8 of a mile of the local airport. SLK, started out at about 50 feet but with a couple of beers that changed to over 200. The airport called the FAA people, who called the local police, who came by to visit me. Luckily they told me to bring it down and never do that again, with no fines or jail time. I felt very lucky and thankful. Definitely a feeling of I shouldn't be doing this, as it's happening, and I should have known someone would nail me, but hey -- beer.

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I think the KAP of the cemetery is awesome ! I see nothing disrespectful about that, either. I too have flown too close to an airport, but was not challenged over it. The spot is actually a popular kite flying spot (Canarsie Pier in Brooklyn) but it is inside the 5 mile radius of a major airport (JFK). I have only flown my own kite there once, but I have flown other people's kites when they kindly handed me their line.

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Lets rephrase the question, should every KAP photo (etc.) of a church be considered as not appropriate and therefore should not be even exist? Of course not! That being said, one can be respectful to the living persons being there. If there would be on ongoing funeral it is certainly not the most considerate thing to do to fly close to/over the church at that time, especially with a noisy kite (or multi rotor etc.). On the other side, if one would apply the eventuality of a geographically localized souls argument (as in the above link), close to no photos taken on earth should exist because "residues" of generations over several hundred thousands of years have ended up well mixed with soil and current life everywhere.

If you think it takes the fun out of kiting or thinks it is intrusive to people in your surrounding, go up very early when there are few persons around. I think this is close to the usual considerations for any type of kiting that you need to do whenever there are people or traffic around. What density of people (or how close can they be) can it on a beach before it is time to stop flying (not to be intrusive and for safety). How desolate should the parking lot be to be safe? How close to a road can you be without distracting drivers and others?

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I don't see it as disrespectful at all. People put up beautiful memorials to those they loved or respected and why wouldn't they want that shared? Eerie maybe but not disrespectful. Think of it as sharing a place of serenity and reflection. People walk through that place all the time. Some take photos. Most if not all would appreciate that what you guys are doing is beautiful and done with respect.The shot is really neat.Looking at the pictures and reading a little of the history reminded me of a quote that I have kept on my refrigerator door for over 30 years. It is from Pastor Martin Niemoller. First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionist and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out- because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me. Maybe somebody in Argentina looks at those pictures and remembers they have a great, great uncle buried there and it brings a sad smile of reflection. Thinking about the way things once were and should have been. Then they go buy a kite because kiting is so cool. Ya never know.

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On 4/5/2018 at 5:47 AM, KAP Jasa said:

it was like we were invasive and disrespectful ... was somehow inappropriate for the place.

Then don't.

Many people take photographs of cemeteries for a wide range of reasons. Topo surveys, maps, documentation, and memories of those who have died, to name a few. They're legal, and you shouldn't stop someone who is doing it.

If someone wanted to do it would be fine. If someone posted KAP of a cemetery writing "This is where grandpa is buried, I miss him; maybe he's watching me and can see me fly for him", they could build some touching tributes.

But if you don't feel comfortable taking the photos, or don't feel comfortable flying there, that is your choice. Listen to your conscience and personal morals.  If you don't feel good about it, don't do it.

 

My most recent case of not flying due to discomfort was being asked to fly at a location right off the highway. I was concerned about potentially triggering a crash from a rubber-neck driver, so I declined for moral reasons.

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1 hour ago, Breezin said:

First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionist and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out- because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.

That is remarkable! I have one (well two files then) with quotes I collect from mostly quote of the day servers. This one (yes the "First the came...) I first saw say two years ago and decided to save it directly when I saw it. 
I got it from alpha.mike-r.com (port 17 as is the standard for QOTD-servers, in fact the QOTD-link from the web page doesn't work). To get a new quote (typically when my focus is dropping) I just type "nca" since I got the alias
alias nca='nc alpha.mike-r.com 17'
in my environment.

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Wasn't KAPing but flew quads and a Zero G from here all the way into the CBD of Perth. Pedestrian access areas. Put on a great show for the morning rush.Screenshot_20180405-205333_Maps.jpg

Sent from a Galaxy 8 Far Far Down Under.

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