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Learning catch and throw. Need some tips.

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I'm getting the catch down fairly consistent, but the lines keep jumping into the bridle and tangling. I'm giving the tug pretty high in the window with the kite coming down at a fairly steep angle. Should I give the tug lower in the window with a lower angle glide or work on a more gentle catch. Do you initiate the tug just before it stalls at the top or slow it down 3/4 up and give it a soft high tug. I  thinking a more progessive catch wil help. I've been using prism micon Dynemma lines cut down to 35ft. Just ordered a set of LPG 50# x 30ft lines that should be stiffer and slicker, hoping those help. Mostly practicing on a 1.5 classic with a P90 frame in very light wind. I'm thinking a stiffer frame will be easier to throw. Would a skyshark clx 150/ 250 leading edge help with glide? Or throw the 3 wrap in and pump it up?

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Can't help with the catch, but yes, a stiffer LE will help  the throw. Are you throwing it from an end? Then the whole LE has to absorb the energy you use to throw it. Stiffer will means less wobble as it goes out. Also try aiming upward a bit. Even on short lines, it needs some decent energy and room to glide and drift down. 

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We covered a lot of the specifics here.. Hopefully that thread will steer you in the right direction.

 

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Because you mention the "Classic" With the P90 frame, we'll you aren't using the Springs, correct?? The Springs on the restructured Revs change the dynamics of Catch and Throw tremendously.

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Stiffer line like LPG helps when learning because it doesn't allow the line to whip as much. Definitely disengage the springs if present or use a frame without them. 

Most of all, have fun, smile, and don't forget to breathe.

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On 2/1/2019 at 7:25 AM, riffclown said:

Because you mention the "Classic" With the P90 frame, we'll you aren't using the Springs, correct?? The Springs on the restructured Revs change the dynamics of Catch and Throw tremendously.

Your correct Riff, like you I  don't fly with springs.

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The tug to initiate the glide part of the "catch" can be initiated at really any point in the window. Just remember the LE will glide in the direction it faces. I used to be fairly (very) aggressive on the pull but you don't need to be. A gentle tug is all it needs. The throw is the easy part. Like a javelin with a slight amount of rotation to make the LE face away and glide. A lighter LE just means you need to get the mass moving before you release. 99% of all my starts are using a throw on 50 feet and shorter. Can do it on longer but I'll use a stake for those... mostly.

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The magic to keeping your lines tidy during catch and throw is the “U”... Having passed both handles to one hand for the pull, I sometimes flick that hand (and handles) deep out to the side as the kite is halfway down to me, this puts each end of the lines 4-6 ft apart, shaped like a “U” on the ground. No overlap, no tangles.

The only situation where the U may not free you, is debris or brush on the ground that may snag lines, a twig, random feather or even a HUMAN HAIR (true story) happens to get between two lines at the wrong spot... But this is rare, if you pick your spot for catching - respect the U. :)

There are also situations that may call for a harpoon layout on a throw... Continuing “S” pattern, like on the deck of a boat, between tether and spear, idea again is to eliminate overlap or lines rolling across the ground.

Which adds the other golden rule of line management on catch and throws... Try to avoid haphazardly dragging your lines, preserve the U if you must drag them, holding both kite and handles high to lessen the angle of drag.

 

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Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.

Cut down on the “hunt and peck”, go to it - do it, pause, toss, reorient, repeat, over and over at a steady rhythm - I guarantee your 100th attempt will be better than you 10th, so the gambit is to get there quick. :)

There is also this...

https://kitelife.com/forum/files/file/631-rev-tutorial-3d-flying/

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Only thing I have a hard time with is knowing if the kite is stable enough to time the pull. You seem to drive it to the top and pull. I think I slowly get it to top and if it bobbles I bail. So Whump it up and pull before the wind directs where it goes? 

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Yeah, just fly to the point (doing your best to arrive and transition with a straight leading edge), and pull - the rest is “hunt and peck”, go right for the mark, it’ll only feel rough the first few times.

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Even speed up (normal flight), just powered up, not accelerating or trying to surge. The pause creates more time for bobble, kite is truer tracking when it’s driving, slack off and it will rotate.

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Stability isn’t really key, main thing is having a truly straight leading edge and getting a ballenced (matched) pull on both top lines so it doesn’t buck to one side.

Clean process, rhythm, repeat.

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I've heard rumors, that the trick was invented by Lee Sedgwick, doing it SIDEWAYS too (not leading edge ~ leading) from a open van during the rainstorm at wildwood.  Has anyone accomplished the catch sideways (into and out of his van, so he didn't get wet!) is this true?

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8 hours ago, Paul LaMasters said:

I've heard rumors, that the trick was invented by Lee Sedgwick, doing it SIDEWAYS too (not leading edge ~ leading) from a open van during the rainstorm at wildwood.  Has anyone accomplished the catch sideways (into and out of his van, so he didn't get wet!) is this true?

Sideways? like wing tip leading?

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