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I've put my Kaiju up a few times outdoor when there was approximately zero wind, but some recent conversations got me wondering:

What would you consider the safe range for flying a Kaiju outdoor?

When the wind is strong enough for a full size sail I can use those, but I'm wondering about the transition zone. I don't want to discover their strength through a destructive test. Does anyone know from experience roughly where the limit is?  Can I take it all the way out to when wind is hitting perhaps 10 knots, without much risk?  The spars seem rather small for that, so I'm curious where the limit is.

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I haven’t pushed the upper limits on long lines but you can find videos of me working the Kaiju in up to 8-12 mph gusts on 7’ lines... On long lines (bigger power zone) I would estimate the upper range at 3-4 mph, with some slack given in the turns.

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Don't push it too hard. I can't believe I actually said that! What I really mean is, in the upper wind ranges the lower spreaders will pop out. Wind and input pop will do it. Trust me...

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7 hours ago, John Barresi said:

working the Kaiju in up to 8-12 mph gusts on 7’ lines... 

Dang now I'm extremely interested again.Kaiju has always seemed like a lot of kite for the money to me.The sudden gusts I get here make me real leary of most low wind kites.0 to 10 mph in a couple seconds especially this time of year. 

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It is not rocket science folks - use common sense and change if conditions warrant. Unless you have deep pockets or unlimited access to new kites ......

Most of us can feel our kites. We know when they are reaching their limits. Why push it? I don't depend on numbers (mph) for feedback, my hands can tell. Develop that feel!!

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1 hour ago, Wayne Dowler said:

We know when they are reaching their limits. Why push it?

That's exactly it. I think I'm quite conservative, and there's a range where my full-size dual line kites are too heavy, but winds were strong enough I haven't trusted the kaiju in it.

It's a great kite, I try to fly indoors twice a week so I've got a good feel for it in zero wind, but I'm cautious about it outdoors.  I've only set it up when the wind is completely dead. I don't think I've reached anything near the limits. It isn't about pushing the limits, more about expanding the range of caution.

I'm not trying to ask "Where are the limits before it breaks?" since I imagine some of the spars could be twisted into a large pretzel without breaking.

Instead, I'm trying to ask "Are there more safe regions I can play?"  I know that zero wind is safe. And I've seen videos that 2-3 mph is safe. I've also seen videos of higher speeds, and I'm wondering if they are safe places to play or if they're out on the fringes.

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I'm the other side Wayne,

test unmercifully until failure,... nobody ever got better skiing without an occasional fall on the slopes.  Some were downright terrible crashes, but you've learned something along the way too,.... maybe about yourself, or the conditions that day, maybe even about your own equipment, or that cute surgical nurse for rehab?  If you could change one item, what would it be?  How would that impact changes things?

Possible example?, owned a little Prism kite (3D), didn't connect with it at all until I rigged it for quad and flew it in utterly outrageous conditions.  In between trees and power lines in a booking wind.  It was totally worth the money that day and wasn't even used according to it's design.

So can you fly in the full power zone with an indoor kite? sure if you can dump some pressure and preserve your smile doing it! Otherwise explore the edges of the wind window.  Make up some new "yank and spank" technique for underneath the tree limbs.

Lam Hoac can jump rope with/over his indoor kite, or throw it a dozen feet sitting in a chair and catch it back again.  Work on your rolled-up launch, (maybe released down a smooth wall as you gently walk backwards?, I've seen 4 or 5 revolutions happen seamlessly)

Kite's all aquiver?, whipped around in too much wind? Then consider another option.  There's no bad weather, only a poorly equipped kite flier.  Terrible conditions?  Hey it's time to borrow someone else's equipment and see how it handles that abuse (OPKs rule)

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