Alex D

@midibot correct ... no SUL ... only the UL available from Freilein using T1 framing ... you could make a SUL out of it using the available T0 frame rods 😁

I would agree for the full sail models, but the UL and many vented options of the WR III at 189 are a great deal if the design and quality are decent. It seems from my linked WR III SUL thread aboe that the WR III is a signifcant improvement above the other WR models. I also assume one would want to go for the WR III because of the design improvements and frame options ... the vented versions on the WR II and WR II X are even better deals if they improved quality.

I think I kinda sorta figured it out ... Size on all is the same. WR , WR II and WR II X are listed slightly larger only because of their different "extended" frame design. The Windrider II is the original design PC 20 poly with verticals connector making them stick over the LE. The Windrider II X is the same kite merely with PC 31 poly used. Now the Windrider III is a new frame design with PC 31 poly and new frame connectors keeping the verticals below the LE and the verticals cap knots inside a pocket. I assume the sail on all of them is identical. For a full sail WR III at 189 for kite only this is in line with the OKUSA Vertigo, but not better. However for the many vented options and the UL at the same price these WR III are a deal if they are well made and designed to fly well. Emma kite also shows a nice chart of vent and frame options (see below) that exactly shows where in the frame the T1 T2 or T3 rods are used on each model.

From my search here the Vertigo and Exodus are made to spec and quality by OSKUSA ... riffclown inquired with OSK and posted here on the quality of the OSKUSA Freileins in detail .... the Windrider are the chinese "original" Freilein kites. They used to have sketchy quality going by the comments then, but this is from posts here over 5 years old and I saw one here who got a Windrider III SUL and it didn't sound too bad ( https://kitelife.com/forum/topic/10645-my-new-freilein-windrider-iii-ul-ultralight-quad/?tab=comments#comment-82509 ). Emma's Kites sells all three versions ... might be worth a try since the price point is also okay. Impressive are the many color and vent options quite nicely organized as well.)

Freilein makes several Windrider versions. I don't know anything about them nor can I find much. I have a Vertigo and it is a fine kite. Can someone explain the difference between their Windrider models? Size is about the same of all of them between 230 and 241 cm. Many color and vent versions on each model available: Windrider, Windrider II, Windrider II X and Windrider III (not interested in the SUL models)

I thought for $125 (if he sells it) its a nice piece of history in my bag ... and I thought it's worth it ... that's really the only reason I offered him the money for it. It's in good shape and has hardly been flown the way it looks.

Purple sail body with pink corners

This one is not branded Neos Omega. It says "Revolution" then "Revolution I" and "T300 High Modulus Graphite Pro Series" on the sail. I think it's a 1991 model. He also has the print manual and a Revolution Training video VHS tape with it.

I offered him $125 for the kite. He’s thinking it over.

Come to find out of all things that a neighbor of ours has an old original Revolution 1 in the attic. Is there any sense in buying it? Can you describe the changes to the 1.5 and how it compares to the 1.5? Thank you!

No, I just got the line because of price trying it out. No kites ... gawd! I have enough of those 😃

I felt my Dyneema lines are "softer" to the touch while it seems Spectra is "harder" and stiffer? What are the pros and cons of Dyneema vs Spectra?

Isn't LPG also a Spectra line? I thought there is really only one compound for kite line and Dyneema and Spectra are the very similar just from different manufacturers. Dyneema in Europe and Spectra in US? https://rigworks.com/yacht-rigging-services-in-san-diego/running-rigging/dyneema-and-spectra-lines/#:~:text=Dyneema has a slightly different,gaining popularity in the US.

I got a set of 75" x 90# Matrix Line from Level One for my sons Kites this Xmas. Great store with great service! What do you think of this line compared to Dyneema/Spectra line?