Jon.B

The community map that shows user locations is nice, but what would be really cool is a feature where users can list their favorite spot, along with any helpful tips (e.g, note any parking tips and tricks, which part of beach gets the best wind or is emptiest, notes on wind conditions (e.g best height, etc). When I'm travelling to a new area, it would be nice to find out where other kiters are, or spots that are not obvious from just looking at a map.

@John BarresiI have been a subscriber since August, but never got my "welcome" plus subscriber number... can you confirm I'm actually in the system?

The name is confusing -- the trick I linked to is not the same as what is called the backspin nowadays, which starts from a fade. The "moebius" described in the link is starts from a turn (not a fade). I was having trouble visualizing the move, because it seemed like popping with right hand wants to make kite spin clockwise -- but the point I missed was that this is done with nose pointed down slightly pointing to left, so right wing is actually slightly left of vertical, so the pop pulls the wing up to flatten it out on its back while also imparting some counterclockwise spin, which is then continued with an left hand input once kite is nose away to complete the rotation. Seems maybe this is just a name for a Taz Machine, just started from a turn instead of a horizontal pass. Not that I can do a Taz Machine either, but I had much better success recently with half axle, I think my inputs previously had been way too gentle (since an axle from a stall in my kite doesn't take a huge input, I didn't realize how sharp the tug had to be for a half axle.. )

Backspin/moebius I'm trying to understand the instructions for the backspin/Moebius, as described in the above link. "Fly up to somewhere approaching the top of the window and start a downward turn by pulling the left hand. As the kite turns left and the nose passes the 9 o'clock position, pop the right wing with a gentle axel-like motion. This causes the right wing to be pulled towards you and the nose of the kite to lift up so that it is spinning flat on its back in an anti-clockwise direction (looking from above)." The confusing thing for me is when it says "pop the right wing" after turning left. I assume it means the left hand? Otherwise I don't get who this would spin counterclockwise, or on its back Is the idea here to pop the wing that I'm already pulling in to turn, so that wing scoops underneath and the nose comes forward into a fade, the letting the momentum carry it past the fade position? I haven't been able to find any videos of this. Later it describes it as an inverted axle.

Thanks, this is helpful -- trying to understand the relative intensities of the different motions has been the sticking point for me. I had started trying to learn Prism's version, and just so much is going on with both hands that I could never really get the groove.

There seem to be several different ways to that snap stalls are described. 1) Prism's videos: Tug upper, tug lower, push together. Though the video shows really:. Tug upper while pushing lower, then pop lower, and push both. 2) Dodds videos Tug on upper(inner), then punch and return on lower (outside) - basically exaggerated combo turn. The emphasis seems to be on the initial tug and punch, while prism seems to emphasize the initial tug and then the lower return. 3) sport kite magic describes the stall starting with a quick lower wing punch, and then equally quick pop with same hand, followed by push with both hands. So, most of the action is in one hand. 4) At Peter Peters old site: https://web.archive.org/web/20131011235232/http://www.idemployee.id.tue.nl/p.j.f.peters/kites/basics/Duallinetricks.Stalls.html#snapstall, and also on https://www.sportkite.org/trickdatabase/snap-stall They say (when flying to right) pull left, punch right to counteract, then bring both neutral. (I assume punch right means punch with left hand) 5) finally fractured axle describes an exaggerated combo - simultaneously pushing on outside and pulling on inside, then return to neutral https://fracturedaxel.co.uk/wiki9/tiki-index.php?page=Stall#Primary_Execution I have been struggling to get good snap stalls. In part I'm sure I am not being "snappy" enough. But in part I'm not really sure which part to emphasize. Tight combos don't seem to shed enough wind -- or is it the final return to neutral that needs to really be popped? Or is it stepping forward and giving lots of slack that really does it? When I try the prism method, I feel like if I snap quickly like in the video, the kite doesn't rotate at all-- seems like perhaps the push before the second pop is maybe the important bit (in which case, it is sort of an exaggerated combo followed by a snap tug on the outer to return to neutral?) I realize this is rambling... Any advice or other good resources?

Thanks. It is strange, the weights really don't want to stay in the tunnel, they always end up about half way, where they get caught on the tensioners... I'll try the electrical tape. I got a few days of decent wind and off work, Jammin is quite fun ( though I broke a lower spreader when the wind picked up).

During the pandemic, after a brief foray into RC planes, I fell hard into Dual Line kites. Started with a HQ Beach Symphony foil, then a Prism Hypnotist, then Skyburner Tica2000UL, and a Prism Jazz 2. I am still very much a beginner, though I can do most ground recoveries except dead launch, and can reliably axel/half axel, though I cannot reliably snap stall. Anyway, While traveling this weekend, I didn't have a kite and stopped into the local hobby shop, where I found the SkyDog Jammin for a good price. I flew it in 10 mph, and I can tell that this kite will help me learn more tricks, as it seems much more apt to getting into fade/flare. When I set it up, I noticed that, unlike my other kites, this seemed to have both a tail end weight, and also two spine weights that are just loose on the spine. Are the spine weights intended to slide freely along the spine so that the weight distribution changes when flying up vs down? Or, are these supposed to be tucked near the end of the spine in the pocket near the Velcro? Also, do people usually take out weight for low wind flying? Thanks!