John, I am with you. A number of guys on this thread look down on Club 38 for different reasons that is no reason to discourage others! I bought my first quad in Feb of this year while in Texas at the end of my trip. The next day I returned to Iowa and have been flying alot ever since and have acquired 2 more quads but from then until now I have not seen one other person fly a quad. Club 38 has been a great help to me as it has given me something to challenge me each time I go to the field. I love KiteLife and the videos that John has done but Club 38 has its place too. I could learn so much more and so much faster If I had a group of guys to fly with but thats not the case. But, until then, club 38 will keep my interest. hang in there!!