Guru4tru Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Hi, What do you'all remember about your learning curve. I've hit a stone wall and am even having difficulty doing stuff I thought I had in the bag. :confused!: Were there times you seemed to move backwards for awhile or is the line between learning and old age getting real close for me!?!? Keep It Up! Duane PS there is always single liners...that's what I like about kiting...I can be dead and with a little help from my wife to tie a string around my toe....I'm Flying Again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoneZ Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't think its age my friend. I've went through that a couple times, and am starting to go through it again now. I would just stop kiting for a bit, and come back to it a month or so later. Then I just learned to play into the regression period and start doing more simple tricks and perfecting them. Do you have an MP3 player or discman? I would highly suggest taking that out with some of ur favorite tunes (if you only have a discman, bring lots of variety). That really helps me get into a good groove after a bad bout of flying. Today I went out and flew for a bit -- bad flying day. Wind is pretty irradic, and it really made me struggle with tricks, so I just loaded up some Boards of Canada on my MP3 player, and practiced snap stalls, tip stabs, and side sliding (was also inspired by that Genesis UL kite vid). Cured my bad mood, and calmed my arse down. hehe Gotta watch this again. hehe was practicing those snap-stall to tip-stabs this guy was pullin off (around 1minute mark). Side Slides Tip Stabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru4tru Posted August 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Hi Jon, You're being funny...right...You know I'm deaf!!! But, you have given me hope! I'll kiss this day off and start anew tomorrow...humming to myself!! (Check it out...I'm getting pretty good with the smilie faces... Keep It Up! Duane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoneZ Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) I thought you were "almost" deaf my friend. o.0 My apologies!! Are you 100% deaf m8? If you have any sort of hearing, they have those " exterior noise canceling ear buds" that work great. They're just like earplugs, only with seriously loud music! You may be able to get a little use out of them, being as they are super loud. They go to "11" one could say. These are the ones that I have. Great buds. http://www.target.co...n/dp/B00001P4XA *Bored on a fir. evening -- trying to make a dog stake out of a metal tent stake* Cheers brotha ~Jon Edited August 8, 2009 by Spz0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru4tru Posted August 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Hi Jon, It's OK...I'm just having fun with you!! Yes, I can hear a little out of my right ear but the sounds are distorted. Maybe, with my distortion of sound...todays music might sound good! --------- But, I will give you a piece of advice...do not stand beside a land mine when it explodes!! (only here today because there were 2 people bewteen me and it ) "I really like these funny smilie faces Keep It Up! Duane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoneZ Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 hehe, duly noted m8 ~Jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteking Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Kite learning curve?? I started (real) flying in 1978, back then there weren't a lot of people to watch/ask. So I spent the first couple of years discovering how to keep the kite in the air and perform some maneuvers, I spent the next 25 years working at having enough money to support the addiction. Now I spend as much time as possible going through the 6 kitebags (yes I have recently added another) and flying each and every kite (wind permitting) AS to old age? I believe your as old as you feel, and some days after flying the power kites or large stack, I FEEL OLD. Peter Powell Stack Video Hey, I figure any day I can get out of bed is a great day, if I get a chance to fly that's a bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru4tru Posted August 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Yes!!...Thank you Mike!!! I posted the same Question in the AKA forum (I'm cought between forums sometimes) But your post seems to agree with the direction I've decided to move in. I'll copy it here and maybe you can help me with the request on the PS. --------------------------------------------------------- Jim Barber Posted on: August 8th, 2009, 6:10pm KiteTalker AKA Sport Kite Committee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Team flying, candy for the soul 423 Posts I'm a classic "2 forward, 1 back" learner. Trick is, understanding your your own learning curve, and being good with it. I know for myself, that getting frustrated only makes it worse. When I'm first learning a new move, or something in other parts of my life, I start with good conditions, both in my head and my environment. As I become more comfortable with what I'm learning, I start practicing it when things are not so good with myself, or with the environment. Maybe I'm really tired, don't really want to work on anything, good time to make myself get out and work on that muscle memory, even though the body/mind just wants to be sitting on the couch reading a book. Or maybe it's real windy and raining out, not the perfect conditions for working on a move, but it is good conditions to take me out of my comfort zone and cause me to focus even more. But for starting, keep it simple and enjoyable, and don't get frustrated with it, it'll come. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Barber Past performances with: Team Don't Panic!, Team Visual Impact, and Team Cutting Edge Current status- Retired Logged Reply: 5 - 8 in “Learning Curve/or/Old Age” Guru4tru Posted on: Today, 7:18am KiteTalker 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Keep It Up!" 73 Posts Hi Jim, Thanks, that sound like good advice for me to follow. Yeah...relax a little...there's no rush...do it right! Your post also brought to mind, that it might be good for me to get better organized as to what I'm doing when I fly. I have all these tricks spinning around in my brain. Maybe even a work notebook might be good to keep things in better order and thus waisting less energy jumping from trick to trick and getting sloppy...more organization and focus wouldn't hurt...with pre-planning for flight time! (Of couse with free time just to rip up the sky!) Thanks again! Keep It Up! Duane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "KITE-ARIAN" Logged Reply: 6 - 8 in “Learning Curve/or/Old Age” Jim Barber Posted on: Today, 9:55am KiteTalker AKA Sport Kite Committee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Team flying, candy for the soul 423 Posts Sounds great, just don't forget to be having fun!!! That's why your out there. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Barber Past performances with: Team Don't Panic!, Team Visual Impact, and Team Cutting Edge Current status- Retired Logged Reply: 7 - 8 in “Learning Curve/or/Old Age” Guru4tru Posted on: Today, 11:34am KiteTalker 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Keep It Up!" 73 Posts Hey Jim Barber!!, A thousand thanks! I was out mowing the grass and thinking about what you said and it was like I got hit with sanity! (Which is sometimes a rarity in my world!) It's like I threw away all that I have been doing and teaching for years and I just ran amuck when I picked up a dual liner. Anything I ever wanted to learn, and later teach to others, came from my establishing a training program for myself, and others, "First". From martial arts to pistolero-ing to fitness & meditation ...I always set up a training program to get to the desired goals. Like I went brain dead with the excitement of a dual liner in my hands. I'm going to spend some time setting up a training program for myself. Like establishing a "rating" system with respect to the difficulty of the tricks that I want to learn and which is best with relationship to different wind conditions. And then the wind will decide which area I will work in. I'll check the wind speed and gusts before I start (I have a wind meter) and pull up the area that would best to work on under those conditions. And I am dealing with "performance kites" that are new to me, except for the Prism Quantum and 3D I started with, so basics are important...like just flying it around for hours getting to know how it feels and landing it and becoming close to it before trying to pull off fancy tricks....more respect for the simple things. YES!!...I have to set up a "wind flexible", "temperature conscious" and "trick difficulty rating" training program for myself! And as you mentioned, "...just don't forget to be having fun!!!" Yes...we are doing this to have fun, but trying to have fun...isn't having fun! The feeling and joy I get watching my kite unroll from a Yo-Yo and flip over and float on her back..............well, that feeling beats the hell out of having fun!! (But it's fun too!) ---------- And it might also be wise for me to follow Nelson’s advice and, "...fly the kite without the (old) bag", leave the wife at home once in awhile might be a good idea so I can have full concentration on what I am doing! heehee! Thanks Nelson! Keep It Up! Duane PS I know this is probably an impossible request, because some things are much easier for one person then another, but if you were to rate the difficulty of the standard dual line tricks (and the best wind speed you found for pulling it off)...what would you rate as the easiest for you (or anyone else reading this, chime in please) and then move toward the most difficult.....I probable only need about 4 or 5 to help me get started on and to have my work cut out for me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "KITE-ARIAN" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast EDDY Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Hi, What do you'all remember about your learning curve. I've hit a stone wall and am even having difficulty doing stuff I thought I had in the bag. :confused!: Were there times you seemed to move backwards for awhile or is the line between learning and old age getting real close for me!?!? Keep It Up! Duane PS there is always single liners...that's what I like about kiting...I can be dead and with a little help from my wife to tie a string around my toe....I'm Flying Again!! Duane In my experience of teaching students who hit the wall. I have found three common sticcking points in what they seem to have in common. Most of them if you would think of them a bit will make obvious since in your own flying once pointed out to you. SO I am just going to list them out and send you a few pointers to help with each one. 1) Set up of the kite for the conditions of the day / winds. 2) Consistency in doing the maneuvers at hand that your trying to accomplish. 3) Smooth consistent Hands and positioning of the kite in the "WINDOW and POSITION." So with number one, I have noticed that Most of my students get use to doing their tricks for example in 8~9MPH winds. The Kite will be in a said position in "X" factor of time for you to react. With "X" amount of slack in the lines and hence a successful trick will be performed with TWO steps of your feet forwards. So now when "we" fly in 12~13MPH winds Not a huge difference but still a Notable one for a lot of kites. Our Kite will Now be in Said position "Y" in a Slightly shorter amount of time. With "Z" amount of slack which will get shorter MUCH FASTER, than before so time to react is shorter. Hence Our steps / Tree trunks called feet Must move four steps to keep the "X" factor in Part 1 a reality. So a Proper amount of slack can be in the lines for a successful trick. Many of us MISS the SMALL things, in flying and we DEEM it a Wall or a Challenge in what we are doing wrong. If "we" step back and think for a moment about the Basics we might see the simplest things are what is wrong and we are just HALF the problem. Number TWO above, is covered somewhat in part one. Is the kite is the "Right" position when your inputs are being applied. If your answer is Yes to that, ask yourself this, Was the amount of slack in the lines the right amount as well? Each line has a certain and said amount to make things happen more or less. To much "Slack" not enough Pull. Not enough Slack, Not enough ability to clear a wing tip or spin properly. Number Three Above, Smooth consistent Hands that allow Slack and tension to Flow from within the mind without thought. It becomes a second nature to your eye, and the position of the kite to the nose. YOU have the trick lines and sequences memorized from one to the other and you know the transitions and you can just move through them without thinking. A SMOOTH mind and even choppy Winds across your kite can make you seem as if its not that horrible a day. Many people of called it the Kite CHI Factor and to you it is like nothing else matters. So step Back for a Minute. Think about your set Up. Think about the Basics, and your wind levels and proper timing. WE should be able to Hit a Trick 9 out of 10 times in most conditions under 18MPH winds if we have done the above right and we are truly in tune with our Kite! Fast EDDY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru4tru Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thanks! Fast Eddy, So you don't think it has anything to do with this walker I'm using?!?! Things have gotten a little better since I first posted this, (nothing like 9 out of 10 hits--never had that yet...heehee!), but I think carrying what you mentioned to the field with me will be good. Keep it simple and be aware of the small things. Thanks again, Duane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru4tru Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Oh...Yeah...I was thinking of putting buggy wheels on my walker...I'll have to talk to "ant man" about how to do that!! Keep It Up! Duane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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