lasapcheong Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Hi, I currently have a Silverfox 2.5 UL and I absolutely fell in love with it. Tricking this kite is real easy. Where I live winds are kind of light but now and then when I take a trip to the beach I sometimes come face to face with 15MPH ++ winds, a range definitely outside the UL's capability. I'm thinking of getting another silver fox to complete my arsenal of trick kites that have have widest wind range. For my UL, anything about 8mph the beast doesn't trick as easily..At the ocean with 15mph thats definitely out..I don't want to wreck my UL just yet.. Need suggestions hence. Should I get the STD or VTD? My main aim is to really find another silver fox where I can pull out when my UL seems to want to implode when the winds get really high, so I have 2 kites that can easily trick from winds as low as 1mph up to 25mph. I see from Flying Wing's website that both of them have a minimum wind requirement (STD at 3 - 20mph, VTD at 3 - 30mph). How is the trickability and stability then at winds at maybe around 8mph - 20 mph? If I get a VTD how will it perform at say...6 - 8 mph for example..will it be as much of an effort to haul the VTD up the sky at that wind range? Any advice appreciated. Thanks Darryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windofchange Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 I would recommend the standard. For me - flying the standard up to 15-18 mph is no problem at all. The Vented doesn't work well under 10, it's doable but not nearly as fun as the standard. Over 15 the vented is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasapcheong Posted August 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Thanks. I was thinking along this train of thought as well..Having a UL and a VTD seems to leave a hole somewhere in the 8 - 15 mph wind range for a suitable kite. While on the subject of this I have a question though..What happens if you fly the UL in winds of like 15mph? Stress on the frames I know because they are ultralight frames and not as strong. I would think that the kite will fly a lot faster and be harder to control compared to a STD. Howabout the trickability of an UL under strong winds? Just curious to plough deeper into the mechanics of Kite Design.. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 The Silver Fox UL is my general choice for 2-10 mph. My STD has been great for me from roughly the 8-16 mph range. I just got my vented Silver Fox, and found it to fly best in 12 mph and more. While on the subject of this I have a question though..What happens if you fly the UL in winds of like 15mph? Stress on the frames I know because they are ultralight frames and not as strong. I would think that the kite will fly a lot faster and be harder to control compared to a STD. Howabout the trickability of an UL under strong winds? Just curious to plough deeper into the mechanics of Kite Design.. Pretty much any kite will be faster and harder to control in winds over their recommended wind ranges... If your UL or STD is loading up enough, the frame (and airfoil) start to distort, severely changing a kite's characteristics for the worse... Never mind the greatly increased likelihood of breakage! In high winds, it's also harder to drop your kite onto it's back for more advanced tricks... Simply, it makes sense to have the right strength and weight of kite for the wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveH Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 I have a friend with the Vented. I've flown it a good deal. Nice kite. There are days when the breeze is fresh and the vented SF makes tricking much less work. Since they are so reasonable, it seems having all three is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinKen Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I see a Silver Fox in my future also. Is seems like a good kite for the money. Has anyone seen any differences in flying the 2.3s, as compared to the 2.5? :confused!: With the 2.3 being a bit more cost effective, I was thinks of going that route. **FlyinKen** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Thing about kites like the 2.3, they're smaller... This brings a faster style into play, faster reflexes and that feeling you get from speed. It's fun, and has it's own flavor... A full size kite like the 2.5 is a bit slower, the steps from move to move are a bit clearer, and it can be more elegant in most cases. Cost aside, the choice also comes down to what you're looking for. 2 cents in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wen Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 i like the 2.5, but then again i don't like fast kites ~_^ in my expreince the vtd dosent trick so well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky fish Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 i like the 2.5, but then again i don't like fast kites ~_^ in my expreince the vtd dosent trick so well I have the vtd and it tricks well it - loves to lay on it back and float and spin . But you do need the right amount of wind . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wen Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 i realized that after seeing a teammate do a jacobs ladder, half axels fades, lazys in around 20mph winds o.0 in sh-men kite festivel in taiwan, wich i just got back from. 20~30 mph winds mostly >< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djinnz free Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 i got a 2.5 std and use it as a carrier for a 50' transition tail there's two way to adjust the bridle -3 point mode(precision) or -turbo mode (more trick flying) most of the time for me it's on turbo mode spin more faster! maybe try it before buy it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shultzie Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 i got a 2.5 std and use it as a carrier for a 50' transition tailthere's two way to adjust the bridle -3 point mode(precision) or -turbo mode (more trick flying) most of the time for me it's on turbo mode spin more faster! maybe try it before buy it... Could just be my indiviual kite n' bridle....but my SL 2.5 UL WILL NOT WING-TIP TURN OR SPIN ON IT'S WING TIP... in normal winds with the 3POINT PRECISION SETTING...NO MATTER HOW YA TRY... After switching to the TURBO...no problem...except on that setting the kite foward drive and speed is SOOOO SLOW-MO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlion Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 i got a 2.5 std and use it as a carrier for a 50' transition tailthere's two way to adjust the bridle -3 point mode(precision) or -turbo mode (more trick flying) most of the time for me it's on turbo mode spin more faster! maybe try it before buy it... Could just be my indiviual kite n' bridle....but my SL 2.5 UL WILL NOT WING-TIP TURN OR SPIN ON IT'S WING TIP... in normal winds with the 3POINT PRECISION SETTING...NO MATTER HOW YA TRY... After switching to the TURBO...no problem...except on that setting the kite foward drive and speed is SOOOO SLOW-MO! Interesting problems you are both experiencing gentlemen.. May I suggest that you offload some of the ballast on the keel, and then try again. As there is an excessive amount of ballast supplied with the SF 2.3 and 2.5. It is then up to the individual to make the SF do the business. There is not a trick out there that in the right hands the SF 2.3 or 2.5 won't do gents.. There is no need to mess with the bridle settings either, as tinkering will only make matters worse. Lose the ballast and see the difference. There are many sportkite flyers who are having great experiences with the Flying Wings Silver Fox range. So if at first you don't succeed, try and try again... Regards, Merlion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shultzie Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 THANKS MERLION... Come to think about it....I had that a similar problem with my SHADOW...when I added waaay to much lead to the butt end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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