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I have never flown a Pro Dancer, so not sure what I'm missing out on. Here's my Vanishing Point and last year I also picked up a used AirZero PBSK

My Djinn got wet and a couple of weeks later I got another one. And then another. All standard vent. I'm gonna have to get some vents Sent from my P00I using KiteLife mobile app

I guess the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough. I don't like flying with springs, I removed them so they fit in the bag easier.

For sale or trade. Revolution reflex spider RX. Lime color. Flown 5 times by me. 1 extra reflex shaft and standard shaft. Has been sold on here before. Photos copied from that post. Hope that's ok. I rarely get winds high enough to need this much venting. 175$ or trade for b series mid vent or B2.

I agree, the PBSK Vanishing Point is a great low wind kite, but mine needs a little bit (0.5 mph) of wind to get going. Or effort. The PBSK can do a few tricks more easily than the ProDancer, but the ProDancer needs less effort to keep in the air at really low wind speeds. I like the look of the PBSK better, though, and there are some Vanishing Points out there that are to die for !

Wayne, the connecting knot at the hinge is just a prussic knot to me when finished (instead of 1 time thru,... the larger loop passing thru the smaller loop and being snug down to tight, as demonstrated in Watts's video) I recommend going twice thru, or if your really willing the struggle a 3rd pass thru, = smaller hinge or less wiggle. Wiggles dilute pilot commands (or they add oversteer), which might be a benefit in big wind (you'd want it smoothed out, right?) but that isn't helping where I live!!! I need it more responsive, you might even say I even want it twitchy. I use 19' titanium handles and 50#/100 ft lines most of the time, given a choice. If all the bridle lines tighten with just the top two flight lines tensioned you get a better glide, Where you place the angles applied matters as well, obviously. The point is you can control the glide's decent when recovering your field by applying or Lessing the effect of the brake/bottom lines,.... if you let go entirely of both handles inverted and at or near the top of the wind window, it should go about 300% of that released altitude ALL BE ITSELF. So don't ever tell me you can't recover your field 'cause the kite doesn't even need you involved to do that! Let's look at oversteer a minute, that is something for nothing and also a requirement to learn it's uniqueness for you can maximum the impact/effect. Says you want a flat Axel, do you need to guide it 3/4 of the way around or 7/8,... knowing that last little bit comes free w/oversteer built in. I hate that! I want to make it go all the way around myself, demanding both handles to create the action necessary, so you can dial it around slowly, or only go half way (into a fade), or even changing lanes, throwing it out further away from center of the wind window ~ way out beyond the edge, instead towards it. With sufficient experience it just feels right, demanding a bigger movement means no sloppy adding in all by it's lonesome self. I spent 7 months comparing and testing before switching to the French Bridle. I few six years on the stock bridle until creating the 1point6. That was actually a whole kite, it had to fly in no wind and had to also use the SLE leading edge. Throws and catches were magical on those kites. KiteSquid/Harold Ames made them for the Smithsonian Kite Festival '99, no-sew construction, ink-jet printed sails, two kites locked together thru the use of rare earth magnets affixed along the LE. We won master's ingenuity, cooperative category & sport kite as "novices". Harold made 4 prototypes before arriving at one we could love. No elastic tensioning, knots or washers, instead he'd sewn belt loops into the reinforcing patches of a Dacron and adhered the sail to frame with automotive oh-rings, 9460 VHB 3M adhesive for the taped assembly. sorry, slow morning at the office & this is long @ WSIKF we can discuss tuning until the cows come in Wayne, one of my favorite topics!

For zero wind dual line flying I have a Peter Betancourt - Vanishing Point. It's not a trick kite, but tricking in no wind isn't for me (unless it's indoor) I need a slight breeze at least

My #djinnhole is itchy with anticipation of a new kite! Sent from my iPhone using KiteLife mobile app