CLTKiter

Wow! Thanks to both of you. I think I'll start looking for a Rev II. Saw both a cool color and warm color scheme a couple of months ago at the kite shop where I bought my Shockwave. Can't decide which -- gives me something to dream about until I get back to the beach. I have several handles from the "regular" to the long-throw 17" that I bought for my Rev I with SUL spars. I think I'll work on control a little. I suspect that if I use the longer handles and spend time on control, I'll do better overall. Penny, it's encouraging about the two kites for a wide range of wind conditions. And Rich, I'm only 5' 6" at 160 lbs, so I think I'll be a little careful with my speed series in high winds. I haven't thought about floating in the high winds, but my Shockwave floats beautifully, so I'll give it a try in the higher winds -- I'll just be careful. Thanks, Doug

Hi, As I'm pretty sure, and Penny and John have verified, a vented Rev is probably best for a quad in higher winds (trying to keep control and not pulling your arms out). But I'm trying to see if there's an alternative to vented. I didn't win the Vented Rev I on eBay. When the wind gets above 15-16 mph, this is my observation on my own Rev's: - the 1.5 makes sounds like loud, rustling cellophane - the Rev I sounds the same and also pulls a lot - the Blast pulls me around the field/beach - sore shoulders/arms - haven't flown the Shockwave in high winds yet I've heard some people say that the Rev II is their favorite unvented kite in high winds. Do others feel the same? Why is it the favorite -- because of less pull? My only experience with a Rev II was a few minutes in light wind and a few minutes in high wind. With the light wind, it tended to overcontrol and "bowtie". Same in the heavier wind, although I WAS using extended handles on the high wind. (My lack of skill?) I very rarely run into higher winds. Maybe I should just sit it out when the winds get high. So... Is there a good alternative for higher winds other than a vented Rev? I welcome thoughts. Doug

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You are indeed fortunate. My boss knows how much I enjoy kiting, but isn't as forgiving as yours. You're absolutely right about the fact that a little time with the wind makes one much more at peace. I find that I enjoy the company of other kiters, but when I'm alone with the breeze and my Rev..... Kinda hard to describe... Doug

There's currently a vented Rev I on eBay. The note on the item says that it is a prototype built in the early-mid 90's. Does anyone know if a vented Rev I ever made it into production? I'd be mildly interested if one such animal really existed, but maybe not so if the prototype never made it into the real world. Thanks, Doug

I know this is probably old hat to many readers of the forum, but today I sneaked off work a little early and stopped by my neighborhood middle school on the way home. The little guys were through with the soccer field, so I pulled out my kite bag (that I now always keep in the trunk) and got in about an hour of flying before dark. It was a little over 70 deg -- a far cry from the 16" of snow we had last Friday. The wind was light (abt 3-5 mph), so it was good that I had my SUL. I just had to tell someone. It has been a very stressful week, and being able to just fly around for about an hour really unwound me. Sure is good to be a kiter... Doug

Wow, John. Glad to see we're back up. I've missed the site. Later, Doug

Haven't read all the articles in the issue yet, but enjoyed all that I have read. Particularly enjoyed the one by Penny and Aiyana, partially since I've "talked" with them in the forum over the passed months. It was interesting to dig their personalities out of the article. When we can get to know fellow kiters, even through the articles, it's truly enjoyable. Thanks for a great issue, John. Doug

What's next, John?????? And when?????? Fighter kites???? Sedgwick Rev I????? Later, Doug

Congrats to Daniel. Now we're all looking for some pictures to see how it works! Doug

That's exciting! I'll be curious to see how it comes out. The pictures on the Web site are a good-looking kite. One question... The author says that he used mylar because of weight. I thought mylar was actually heavier than icarex. Not being a builder, I don't have any practical knowledge. Am I incorrect? Thanks, Doug

J.D. Posted: Oct 1 2003, 04:22 PM Group: Members Posts: 3 Member No.: 100 Joined: 22-September 03 Ok, I just got my new rev 1.5 but I have a couple of questions on ways to make it fly better. First of all how does flying without a britle compare to flying without one, and I noticed that a few people have a piece of line (about six to ten inches) on their handles with knots on it. What does this do and how far apart should I put the knots? P.S. I'll be flying this weekend so I'll try all your suggestions. -------------------- See ya on the beach. ===================================================== Moon Kushner Posted: Oct 1 2003, 04:49 PM Posting Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Member No.: 2 Joined: 6-June 03 Hey J.D. I fly with a bridle and I feel that it gives the kite more control, I am trying to hear what John would tell me in the back of my head..... He also flies with bridles on all of his revs and prefers them that way. As far as the line that is on our handles, there are usually about 4-6 knots and they are spaces about and inch apart. It helps with adding more forward or reverse to the kite depending on which knot you put the lines before. Other than that, remember that it is a rev and don't try to fly it like a dual. I have the opposite problem since I fly quads more often I always want to fly my dual like a quad. Hope this helps. Moon ===================================================== J.D. Posted: Oct 1 2003, 06:58 PM Group: Members Posts: 3 Member No.: 100 Joined: 22-September 03 Thanks Moon, I'll try putting that line on my handles and see how it works for me, BTW does the line just go on the top of the handle or do you have it on the bottom to? -------------------- See ya on the beach. ===================================================== AiyanaLeigh Posted: Oct 1 2003, 07:55 PM Wind Warrior Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 127 Member No.: 43 Joined: 2-August 03 JD....perhaps I can help there too....I have knotted lines on both upper and lower attachment points on my handles...it just makes for a little more adjustment if needed. Hope you're enjoying your Rev! -------------------- Why?....because it FLY'S *~Aiyana~* ===================================================== Penny Lingenfelter Posted: Oct 1 2003, 10:23 PM Wind Warrior Group: Members Posts: 108 Member No.: 79 Joined: 2-September 03 Hey J.D. Remind me to show you the slide knot that will take the place of the knots on your adjustment lines. You'll love it. To share my two cents: Some people use the adjustments at the top of the handles, some at the bottom, some on both top and bottom. And some don't use them at all. What it does is it changes the angle of your kite to catch or dump wind. Speeding the kite up, or slowing it down. It is also used to keep your lines even. Uneveness occurs due to streatching of the lines, lines that were not made evenly, knots in the line, etc. Now the adjustment lines that come off the top of my handles can be as long as 12 inches for outdoor flying. Picture this; With the bottom of the handles pointed towards the kite, We would consider the spot (or knot) directly above the bottom handle to be "netural." Like car gears. Netural is a good space to start testing how you want to set your adjustments. Example: To slow down my kite in high winds I would go out towards the end of the adjustment lines on the top of my handles. Ths will lean the top of the kite back thus dumping air. Be sure and test your adjustments in little movements. When I use knots, I prefer to have them no more then 1/2 inch apart. Some people have knots an inch apart. And J.D. if you are flying around the coast with good wind.not lots of wind, but good clean wind, I would suggest keeping your bridle on the kite. I only take it off because I started that way. We were flying inland with no wind and trees all around. The caps were biggger, heavier and had metal parts. Big differance from todays Revs. The cons are; Flying without a bridle is harder on your leading edge and the kite responds so quicky, it can be twitchy or harder to control. You flew my 1.5 Red/White and Blue kite (pretty darn good too) at Lincoln City and it didn't have a bridle. That's because I fly it inside and don't like a bridle on my kite inside. The "Indoor Revolutions" do not use bridles, only pigtails coming off of the caps. If you want to try flying without a bridle, don't take the bridle off. Just larks head through and over the caps like I did and let the bridle hang down. Later on you can make an educated decision. But unless you are consistantly flying in light wind, you don't need to remove your bridle. Remember~ If it's not broke, don't fix it. If it's flying well, just enjoy it and fly. I can't wait to see you again. And see what your doing with that 1.5. You did great indoor and out. congrts on getting that 1.5! Rev on! Best breezes, Penny -------------------- Penny Lingenfelter Flying like I mean it with Revolution Kites and Laser Pro Gold Line~ No... it just can't get any better then this! ===================================================== Moon Kushner Posted: Oct 1 2003, 10:42 PM Posting Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Member No.: 2 Joined: 6-June 03 It seems like you have started a lively discussion J.D I want to say that I have the knots on the tops of my handles, without them being in front of me I am drawing a blank. Enjoy flying your rev, I love a kite that you can launch from either direction and don't have to walk to as often Moon ===================================================== AiyanaLeigh Posted: Oct 1 2003, 11:42 PM Wind Warrior Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 127 Member No.: 43 Joined: 2-August 03 Hi Penny!! *Hugs* Ummm.....about that slide knot....have you got a picture of it? Or do I have to wait till that first indoor meet when I see you again! (I've got a seive for a mind sometimes..... ) -------------------- Why?....because it FLY'S *~Aiyana~* ===================================================== CLTKiter Posted: Oct 2 2003, 08:44 AM Advanced Member Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 56 Member No.: 64 Joined: 17-August 03 Oh Penny... I'd love to see the knot also. If there's a picture on a Web site somewhere, you could post it in this forum. If there's a picture somewhere else, I'd really like to get it in an email. I'm using knots on the bottom of my handles about 1/2" apart, but would welcome a better approach. Thanks, Doug -------------------- Light Wind Flyer... Covet Breezes Higher... ===================================================== Progcraft Posted: Oct 2 2003, 11:16 AM Wind Warrior Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 159 Member No.: 62 Joined: 13-August 03 If what your looking for is infinate fine adjustment, then this is probably what your after. Attach the lead to your handles. Make 'em about 12 inches long and terminate them with a knot. Take another piece of line, about 6 inches long and tie the ends together to make it a loop. This becomes your pigtail. Then read this page: Prusik Knot When you need an adjustment, just move the knot a little bit. This knot is the same used on most dual line kites for attaching the pigtail. But, it would work fine as the attachment point for you Rev handles as well. Cheers, Progcraft.. (Might have to change my name to Kitecraft soon ) -------------------- Dear God Please let me see your source code. I think I found a bug. ===================================================== John Barresi Posted: Oct 2 2003, 10:11 PM Kitelife Webmaster Group: Admin Posts: 10271 Member No.: 1 Joined: 31-May 03 For a clarification... I have the series of knots on the top leaders from the handle, about 8 knots an inch or a little less apart (the same on both sides)... Then on the bottom I have pigtails with a single knot. All adjustments are done from the "top lines". -------------------- Best winds, John Barresi Webmaster Satori Kites Kitelife Magazine ===================================================== Moon Kushner Posted: Oct 2 2003, 11:04 PM Posting Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Member No.: 2 Joined: 6-June 03 I knew you would get your two cents in soon enough. It is hard for me to visualize my handles when they aren't here. Thanks for the clarification, I tried ===================================================== CLTKiter Posted: Oct 3 2003, 04:49 AM Advanced Member Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 56 Member No.: 64 Joined: 17-August 03 Thanks for the great idea folks. Doug -------------------- Light Wind Flyer... Covet Breezes Higher... ===================================================== AiyanaLeigh Posted: Oct 3 2003, 10:23 AM Wind Warrior Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 127 Member No.: 43 Joined: 2-August 03 So John....if the bottom lines are just pigtails.... ....are they just the stock lengths or are they custom as well? If so, how long are they?? -------------------- Why?....because it FLY'S *~Aiyana~* ===================================================== John Barresi Posted: Oct 3 2003, 11:37 PM Kitelife Webmaster Group: Admin Posts: 10271 Member No.: 1 Joined: 31-May 03 It doesn't matter because you're adjusting from the top anyway... About 3-5 inches long at the most for the bottom pigtails, top one should a foot and a half when folded length-wise, then it will naturally shorten to 10" or so with knots tied every 3/4 inch or so. -------------------- Best winds, John Barresi Webmaster Satori Kites Kitelife Magazine ===================================================== Penny Lingenfelter Posted: Oct 5 2003, 09:09 AM Wind Warrior Group: Members Posts: 108 Member No.: 79 Joined: 2-September 03 OK I am going to try and describe the slide knot. When your kite lines are larks headed onto this knot the resistance keeps it from sliding. Loosening your larks head (a little pigtail helps here) will allow you to effortlessly slide the knot. Start with about a 24" piece of line. This will become your adjustment line and can be cut and shortened later if you find it to long. (I prefer this length for outside) Take that line and slip it through the top metal clasp on your rev. handles. It is now doubled over and 12" long. With the handle in front of you and the lines ends leading away. Place your thumb as a spacer between the two lines. Take the right side and go under and over the left side. *Go under and over the left side once again. Next takethe right side up on the backside and through the top space where the two lines are seperated with your thumb. Last put it through on the front side of the *last loop you made when you went around the "2nd" time. Tighten, being sure that the last loop does not come up and over the 1st loop you made. Holding one side still the knot should slide up and down. Larks head your line on it and Wa La! you have great adjustments, with less line to get caught on, and a lot less time then making the adjustment knots. It's a good idea to burn those ends and place a little knot on each end, so if it does slide down it doesn't come off. It's very simple knot. It is a climbing knot I learned at AKA from Scot Ritter and it made the whole trip worth it! No one seems to be sure of the name. One more time, I'll try to explain it easier. Line ends facing away from you. Right line twice under and over the left, through the top split from the back and through the last loop made from the 2nd over. Hopefully this helps someone. If anyone has pictures, pass them on please. Tks! Penny -------------------- Penny Lingenfelter Flying like I mean it with Revolution Kites and Laser Pro Gold Line~ No... it just can't get any better then this!

CLTKiter Posted: Oct 23 2003, 04:13 AM Advanced Member Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 56 Member No.: 64 Joined: 17-August 03 When I bought my first Rev, the quad lines came on two winders. That was fine, but now that I have several linesets, the bag is starting to get a little crowded. And I'll be picking up another lineset in a couple of days. How difficult is it to use one winder for quad lines? I asked a friend (who taught me to fly Rev's) and he said he used one winder only once -- the first day he got his first Rev. He said he spent 45 minutes untangling the lines before he could start crashing the kite. I've viewed the Training Video and watch Joe Hadzicki unwind and wind the lines up in the video, and it looks easy. But... Any experience using one winder? Do you have to do something special when winding the lines up, like keep all four lines separate? Thanks, Doug -------------------- Light Wind Flyer... Covet Breezes Higher... ===================================================== AiyanaLeigh Posted: Oct 23 2003, 06:13 AM Wind Warrior Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 127 Member No.: 43 Joined: 2-August 03 Hi Doug, Well I'm of the two winder school of thought. I struggled and struggled with having both sets of lines on one winder....almost cost me a competition once because my lines were so tangled. It didn't seem to matter what I did they always tangle on one winder. One day down at Ocean Shores a good friend and Revver suggested I go to two winders. He said that you can get set up two to three times faster and only add one more small step when you are putting them away again. I've been doing it ever since. -------------------- Why?....because it FLY'S *~Aiyana~* ===================================================== Penny Lingenfelter Posted: Oct 23 2003, 06:45 AM Wind Warrior Group: Members Posts: 108 Member No.: 79 Joined: 2-September 03 I use one winder. I untangle lines sometimes, too. But that's usually due to my not being careful how I put them away. If you can bind them down with bundgee, they stay put and it's not bad. BB Penny -------------------- Penny Lingenfelter Flying like I mean it with Revolution Kites and Laser Pro Gold Line~ No... it just can't get any better then this! ===================================================== CLTKiter Posted: Oct 23 2003, 08:35 AM Advanced Member Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 56 Member No.: 64 Joined: 17-August 03 Hmmmmm. Thanks ladies. Penny, when you wind them up, do you do it with (not sure how to say this) two sets of lines coming through your fingers and not worry about the left being twisted or the right being twisted? Or do you have 4 single lines going through your fingers so they all stay totally untangled? On the video, Joe does two pairs. If all this makes sense??? Thanks, Doug -------------------- Light Wind Flyer... Covet Breezes Higher... ===================================================== kitecrazy Posted: Oct 23 2003, 09:21 AM Advanced Member Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 45 Member No.: 76 Joined: 29-August 03 One way is to tie the top lines to your bottom lines as you take them off of your kite and handles .Myself I tie a larks head from the bottom line around the top line EVERYTIME so when I unwind them I always know which is top and which is bottom -------------------- "wind junkie" ===================================================== Penny Lingenfelter Posted: Oct 23 2003, 11:39 AM Wind Warrior Group: Members Posts: 108 Member No.: 79 Joined: 2-September 03 Absolutely larks head top line to bottom and I leave mine attached to the handles. That's up to you. I put the first set thru the hole on the winder and catch the sleeving on the winder and then the second line set I put thru the hole from the *opposite direction. That's about all the seperating of lines that I do. I stake down my handles, top of the handles at the top of the stake and unwind the lines. When they are off the winder, I stretch them out to the left and right as far as I can to get any twist as close to the handles as possible. Connect the lines to the kite and then *climb in to the middle between the lines. Catching the top lines (which is the bottom lines, but the kite is parked upside down for safety) I walk holding the top lines as I go. My body is seperating the lines and as I go I try to move by loosening any twist all the way down to the handles. Then bending down at the handles I usually go to my knees and my knees are now seperting the top lines from the bottom. Bottom lines under my knees, top line on top. Picking up one handle I unwind it, if necessary detaching one line and detangling it. There is a mantra for this step: "It's never as bad as it looks, it's never as bad as it looks." Repeat untill the lines are clear. Most of the time I just have to go around, around and thru because of swinging handles not bundgied down. To me it's worth it. Hope that's not to much info. BB Penny -------------------- Penny Lingenfelter Flying like I mean it with Revolution Kites and Laser Pro Gold Line~ No... it just can't get any better then this! ===================================================== John Barresi Posted: Oct 23 2003, 04:19 PM Kitelife Webmaster Group: Admin Posts: 10271 Member No.: 1 Joined: 31-May 03 I'll ditto the one winder approach... I have no problems with one, and never have... What it comes down to is making sure your lines are clear before winding, then pairing each top line to it's respective bottom line (lark's head together)... Then, take these two sets and wind together. The only issue that may arise is that with this is if your winder is too small... If the notches on each end are not deep enough to hold the lines, then if a loop of it jumps off the winder you're making spaghetti! But, the standard "Crazy 8" winder works fine. Another technique I use, while winding my lines "straight" I will throw a figure eight in about every 10-20 wraps to tie the bundle down and keep it from jumping off the winder. -------------------- Best winds, John Barresi Webmaster Satori Kites Kitelife Magazine ===================================================== CLTKiter Posted: Oct 23 2003, 05:55 PM Advanced Member Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 56 Member No.: 64 Joined: 17-August 03 Thanks for all the advice. And no, Penny, it's not too much information. This lineset I'm buying is 100# on 85' and the winder will be a Crazy-8 so it shouldn't be too large. So I think I'll try it on this lineset and see if it works out OK. Then if OK, I'll get with my ol' buddy Russ and tell him I've one-upped him. Like I did when I bought the 1.5SUL. hee hee hee. If I can't do it easily, I just won't tell him. Thanks, Doug -------------------- Light Wind Flyer... Covet Breezes Higher... ===================================================== Penny Lingenfelter Posted: Oct 23 2003, 07:15 PM Wind Warrior Group: Members Posts: 108 Member No.: 79 Joined: 2-September 03 heeheehee you are sneaky! John, what do you mean by figure 8 to keep them on? I want to see! BB Penny -------------------- Penny Lingenfelter Flying like I mean it with Revolution Kites and Laser Pro Gold Line~ No... it just can't get any better then this! ===================================================== AiyanaLeigh Posted: Oct 23 2003, 09:29 PM Wind Warrior Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 127 Member No.: 43 Joined: 2-August 03 Okay....so I'm out numbered here! I was NEVER any good at Macrame!! LOL -------------------- Why?....because it FLY'S *~Aiyana~* ===================================================== Jason Paul Posted: Oct 24 2003, 01:00 PM Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Member No.: 87 Joined: 8-September 03 As has already been said, make sure your lines are clear, and larkshead your bottom lines to your top lines. I also keep a finger between between the left and right pairs while winding. The only tangled mess I've had was the FIRST time I unrolled the LPG factory lineset. I was slow and careful, unrolling one flip at a time - still got a tangles mess that took 45 minutes to straighten out. It absolutely was the lineset. Since I've been doing it myself, I've been using one winder, and haven't had any problems at all. Jason ===================================================== CLTKiter Posted: Oct 27 2003, 09:38 AM Advanced Member Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 56 Member No.: 64 Joined: 17-August 03 Thanks all. This passed weekend I was at the Carolina Kitefest and got to watch the Bay Area Sundownders unwind and wind up their lines several times. And then spoke with some of them. All of them put all four lines on one winder (BTW, they were using Laser Pro Gold 120'x100#). Instead of Larks Head, they pair up upper/lower with an overhand knot. Not sure it really makes much difference. Jeanette kept the left and right pairs separate while winding up, but Mark, her husband, doesn't worry about it. Some of the Sundowners shook the lines off the winder, but I saw one pulling the lines off. I spoke with another Sundowner (don't recall his name), and he talked me through the entire unwinding and setup. It was exactly as Penny explained above. When I mentioned that to him, he said he wasn't surprised -- he seemed to know Penny. Sound like the bottom line is... "If it works, keep doing it. If not, figure out something else". Doug -------------------- Light Wind Flyer... Covet Breezes Higher...

« Next Oldest | Next Newest » Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic Jan Anderson Posted: Sep 1 2003, 07:35 AM Posting Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Member No.: 77 Joined: 30-August 03 I'm really thinking I want to do this but want to know more. Dual line kites got me buying the wrong stuff in the beginning and I'd like to keep the number of rejects down so I'm here asking. I've flown a friends Rev1.5M SLE two days in a row now and really like it so I'm inclined to go that way. I've done it on 90# lines, I think @85' and have flown with both the std and extended handles. In some ways flying one of these things in a weird way seemed kind of easy. Yes it can be a brain screw but the fun of it really gets me to quickly start trying new things. With nothing to compare to I've been told I'm taking to it really fast so the encouragement is a plus as well...that I might have some aptitude for this part of the sport. My intent is to have something fun to do in the winds above 9 or 10 when I really don't get much fun flying a dual line kite. Here in Seattle the hill gets crowded pretty quick and doing precision or Ballet on 100'-120' lines can be the act of being obnoxious to other fliers...there just isn't much space in the places with good air...especially if it's coming from the south. So as it stands I'm leaning toward a package exactly like the one I've been flying but think I like the extended handles a little better...they seem to give better feedback to my hands. The 85' lines seem nice and with the quad it would be more possible to fly on 100' lines if I wanted, not needing to use as wide a wind window and still be able to have fun. Can these things be ordered in custom colors? Jan ==================================================== CLTKiter Posted: Sep 1 2003, 04:21 PM Advanced Member Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 56 Member No.: 64 Joined: 17-August 03 Jan, a couple of comments. Another person asked about what they should buy for a first quad, and some of the recommendations were a 1.5M and an EXP, depending on cost. If you've flown the 1.5M and like it, I would certainly recommend it. The 1.5M was my first Rev, bought in January this year. As far as custom colors, yes, I understand that Rev offers them, but I'm not sure how you go about ordering them. The 1.5M flies very well in 9-10 mph winds. Sure wish we had that kind of wind here. Later, -------------------- Light Wind Flyer... Covet Breezes Higher... ==================================================== John Barresi Posted: Sep 3 2003, 05:30 PM Kitelife Webmaster Group: Admin Posts: 10271 Member No.: 1 Joined: 31-May 03 QUOTE (Jan Anderson @ Sep 1 2003, 08:36 AM) So as it stands I'm leaning toward a package exactly like the one I've been flying but think I like the extended handles a little better...they seem to give better feedback to my hands. The 85' lines seem nice and with the quad it would be more possible to fly on 100' lines if I wanted, not needing to use as wide a wind window and still be able to have fun. Can these things be ordered in custom colors? Jan That's the same kit I use Jan... I have 75' and 100' lines, depending on the field size and crowds... I generally use the extended "SUL Handles" and my kites of choice are the Rev I and SLE... I like the SLE because it has a higher top wind range, although for clockwork turns the leading edge has enough weight that there is more inertia... But I'm babbling about something you most likely won't notice or care about for at least a year or two, learning quickly or not. The Rev I have just because of it's super fine control... The extra 3' wingspan or so really gives it a different feel, less jittery. It always feels to me like the 1.5 sized Revs are hopped up on wind crank or something... Just a bit less stable I guess. As for custom colors... A big MAYBE... As I understand it Lolly over at Revolution does custom colors only a few times a year, as they do large productions at a time there is no sense in them going in and making ONE kite literally... My advice is to check through your local store and have them get pricing and availability, in lieu of that you could always call Lolly directly as they do have their number listed in all the mags and such. -------------------- Best winds, John Barresi Webmaster Satori Kites Kitelife Magazine ==================================================== podlasek Posted: Sep 14 2003, 08:18 AM Newbie Group: Members Posts: 5 Member No.: 78 Joined: 1-September 03 If the 1.5M SLE is what you're used to, get one I have all the rev kites except the 1.5M, and the new one they are working on in the current line: Rev I - original design, good pull slower speeds Rev II - currently special edition (may be regular production again) 1/2 the size of the Rev I, much faster, lighter pull Rev 1.5 EXP - original EXPeriance design relabled from 1.5 half way between I and II in size some characteristics of both Rev 1.5 SLE - same kite as EXP except it has a much larger leading edge (Super Leading Edge) this stiffens the leading edge making it a little faster and more responsive. Rev 1.5M SLE - same kite as SLE except they added Mylar to the sail, again it makes the kite a little more responsive yet and added a little more pull Shockwave - first in the speed series, very fast, fair amount of pull, very responsive Supersonic - a little smaller than the Shockwave, Very Fast, great fun when the winds pick up. Blast - Larger version of the Shockwave, not quite as fast from my experience Super Blast - Totally Different. You can Buggy or board with this kite (not water relaunchable) the kite likes to float, but can be dialed in for Power which it has plenty of. This is the newest released Rev and it is a Blast to fly Pun The next Rev coming out? I have some info, but don't know when Hope this helps -------------------- Keep the wind at your back... -- Jim SLK's, QLK's, DLK's, TLK's Big, Little, if it's a kite I'll fly it... ===================================================== AiyanaLeigh Posted: Sep 14 2003, 04:43 PM Wind Warrior Group: Kitelife Subscriber Posts: 127 Member No.: 43 Joined: 2-August 03 So John if I'm reading this right...the Rev I is that much more stable than the 1.5? I know I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to do those clockwork turns and just don't seem to be getting the hang of it with my 1.5's. Is it easier to learn on the Rev I?? -------------------- Why?....because it FLY'S *~Aiyana~* ==================================================== John Barresi Posted: Sep 14 2003, 08:25 PM Kitelife Webmaster Group: Admin Posts: 10271 Member No.: 1 Joined: 31-May 03 QUOTE (AiyanaLeigh @ Sep 14 2003, 05:43 PM) So John if I'm reading this right...the Rev I is that much more stable than the 1.5? I know I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to do those clockwork turns and just don't seem to be getting the hang of it with my 1.5's. Is it easier to learn on the Rev I?? Oh, without a doubt... I will take a minute to adjust to a bigger kite, but you have much greater stability and overall forgiveness. Easier to learn fine control on a Rev I, easier to teach absolute beginners on a 1.5! -------------------- Best winds, John Barresi Webmaster Satori Kites Kitelife Magazine ===================================================== Penny Lingenfelter Posted: Sep 15 2003, 09:21 AM Wind Warrior Group: Members Posts: 108 Member No.: 79 Joined: 2-September 03 Hi, 100 ft. of line is not necesary except in high wind. If you have 85 ft. of line, you can still slow your kite down by having adjustments at your handles. Knots 1/4 -1/2 apart that you can link your lines to that adjust the angle and speed of your kite, or just a nice slide knot. I don't think longer lines are necessary and most often do have to much lag in the line. good luck. BB Penny -------------------- Penny Lingenfelter Flying like I mean it with Revolution Kites and Laser Pro Gold Line~ No... it just can't get any better then this!

John, you know I always ask the basic questions. There's a thread on the old Quadheads that I think makes sense to keep. How do I bring it to the new forum? Just post a reply to it? Thanks, Doug

I guess you're wearing a white shirt in both pictures...

Interesting technique, Rich. Hate to show my ignorance, but where do you get small shock cord like that? I've previously looked in hardware stores to no avail. Thanks, Doug

I was out flying my Rev 1.5SUL yesterday in some 3-5 mph winds, and one time when I was out looking at the sail, I noticed that it was not taut. That's to say that the shock cord on the down struts was a little loose. I could easily tighten the sail by just lightly pulling down on it. The end caps didn't come off -- it wasn't that loose -- but there definitely was some room for tightening. I tightened the shock cord so the sail was just firm with no loose areas on it. My question... Should I have done this or will tightening the shock cord on the down struts cause some problems? When I was done, the cord wasn't tight. Just not loose any more. It may be my imagination, but I think the kite flew a little better afterwards. I welcome some thoughts. Thanks, Doug

Penny, I assume you'll be first on your block to have one????? Can't let your inventory get stale..... BTW, my inventory has grown significantly since I posted here last. Now have: - 2 1.5M's - 1.5SUL - I Sedgwick (with additional SUL spars) - Blast - EXP - Shockwave (latest -- got last weekend). Later, Doug

I've seen pictures of the new Power Blast Power Blast Pic but can't tell how big it really is. Has anyone personally seen it? How big is it, and what will it be used for? Kitesurfing? Later, Doug

HOORAY HOORAY HOORAY I can log in now. Hooray. Thank you John. Thank you John. Later, Doug