SKITCH Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Just a quick question here. I would like to make my own sail for a Rev style kite...(for my own personal use, not to sell and of course would use Rev brand bridle, sticks etc.etc.etc.) I see a lot of people making them lately with some pretty cool designs. This is what I would like to try. My question is this......does a sail made from a single piece of cloth lose any performance over a sail with the standard seems/panels? I know that John discussed the design of the B series and mentioned the effects of the way the panels were situated on the kite. I also remember reading somewhere that the seems from the panel help the kite dump wind in an orderly and beneficial way. However, I also see that many of the older Rev 2's and some of the others were designed this way. I won't be competing with this sail but would like a kite that will perform well and look good at the same time. If I ever get to the competition stage I would of course use the Official Revolution kite...probably a B series. Oh, does the applique (sp?) on these custom sails ever cause any unwanted effects on the performance. I would think that this question would hold true with Rev kites as well. Does a Designer series kite compete as well as a standard or B. series kite when really putting the kite through the paces???? Thanks, Hope it's OK to ask these questions. Don't want to upset the Rev folks at all.. :confused!: ..just thought it would be fun to try and add one of these sails to my homemade kite collection. Take care, P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 All things being equal, I would ask any design tips on this topic to be shared privately by PM or email. Thanks for your understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Watson Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Check out this thread on the rev forum. http://www.revkites.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=749 You can download stuff to design rev layouts and colore schemes at my website. http://www.theflyingwatty.zoomshare.com/5.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant man Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 well i would say a single cloth sail would do better as a light wind kite however the panels that rev uses i think are mainly for looks and added strength to the sail design .. this is just a guess to the best of my knoledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Michaud Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 does the sail have to be symetrical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Watson Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 The kite does not have to be symmetrical. Though, a symmetrical design does fly better. The more pannels the kite has, the more stitches are needed to make the kite, causing it to be heavier. Panal arrangements are not only meant for looks and weight though. The layout also affects the way the wind hits the kite and the amount of pull..... I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Michaud Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 tight, i want to put some graffiti into a sail, i think it would be so dope! The kite does not have to be symmetrical. Though, a symmetrical design does fly better.The more pannels the kite has, the more stitches are needed to make the kite, causing it to be heavier. Panal arrangements are not only meant for looks and weight though. The layout also affects the way the wind hits the kite and the amount of pull..... I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKITCH Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 tight, i want to put some graffiti into a sail, i think it would be so dope! You mean something like this..... John Freeman's Graffiti kite It's not a Quad but the art was inspired by Graffiti at the local skate park. Graffiti art would look great on a quad sail. P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBGB Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Go take a look at www.kitebuilder.com at the forums and the wiki. You'll find a good plan for a not-quite-rev quad. If you dig a little deeper, you'll find discussions amongst experienced kite builders about seam layout, how the seams limit stretch along their length, and how they create aerodynamic "pockets" inbetween the stitch lines. These things do matter, but their effects can be subtle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I've deleted the Freedom 2000 link since it is a BLATANT Rev knock-off, sorry mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baws Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I've deleted the Freedom 2000 link since it is a BLATANT Rev knock-off, sorry mate! Sorry John, I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. I though that this was an acceptable plan as long as it is used for personal use only. I just love to build things ( I would build the Space Shuttle if I had the plans and the cash). I'm building this to see what all the buzz is about with Quads. I just don't have the revenue at this time to get the real thing. My one worry is that I'm going to like the Quad line, and then what do I do with all my Dual line kites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 No harm done at all, rest easy. Key is, when the Freedom was released, it was done so as a copy and sold as such. Although this is no longer the case, it still has this history behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I though that this was an acceptable plan as long as it is used for personal use only. I just love to build things ( I would build the Space Shuttle if I had the plans and the cash). I'm building this to see what all the buzz is about with Quads. I just don't have the revenue at this time to get the real thing. If anyone really looks for quad plans on the web, they'll find them... I'm all for people making their own kites too, but I feel very strongly about not helping people find copies. My one worry is that I'm going to like the Quad line, and then what do I do with all my Dual line kites? For what it's worth, after 19 years of flying sport kites, I still love both dual and quad equally, for different reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cath Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Baws, thanks for coming by today! Remind me to show you Q-flaps - allows you to continue to fly your dual lines, but as quads Cath I've deleted the Freedom 2000 link since it is a BLATANT Rev knock-off, sorry mate! Sorry John, I didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. I though that this was an acceptable plan as long as it is used for personal use only. I just love to build things ( I would build the Space Shuttle if I had the plans and the cash). I'm building this to see what all the buzz is about with Quads. I just don't have the revenue at this time to get the real thing. My one worry is that I'm going to like the Quad line, and then what do I do with all my Dual line kites? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru4tru Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I know this is an old post, but I was just browsing around a read this: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..."Baws, thanks for coming by today! Remind me to show you Q-flaps - allows you to continue to fly your dual lines, but as quads Cath"... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Cath, "Q-flaps??"...What are you talking about!?!? Keep It Up! Duane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baws Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 http://www.skyburner.com/qflaps.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru4tru Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Thanks "Baws", What will they think of next? I think I'll pass on those, at least until I catch up on all the other stuff I already want to learn with the duals (and the Quad now, too---bought one for my wife and got hooked on that too). Have you ever flown with the Q-flaps? If so what did you think of them? To me it sounds like maybe just more lines to tangle. It's gotta cut some of the dual stunts off the list, I would think. Keep It Up! Duane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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