Indoor dual line tutorials

[ant man]

the i trix is a good kite only flown it once and liked it very much but ive had many turns with the i nak and found its slow but still good to fly indoors

[John F]

the i trix is a good kite only flown it once and liked it very much but ive had many turns with the i nak and found its slow but still good to fly indoors

What do you mean by slow? Are you talking about its response to inputs or the speed at which it travels. I notice when I fly up and over I some times need to slow down to stay with the kite. Otherwise I seem to be forcing the kite. I also noticed on 360's I need to slow down to maintain good control and even flight. Since it is the only indoor I have flown I can't compare.

One thing about indoor flying seems to be the air flows in the building. There are a couple of big currents where I fly. Are there kites that are better handling these or is it just a matter of powering through avoid tricks where there are currents. It really shows up on fades. I am learning to compensate.

[John Barresi]

There are kites that "float" better and aren't as susceptible to indoor gusts (gosh - it's weird to say that)... The Wren has a lot of sail and is pretty stable, for example.

The iTrix is the opposite... It requires more consistent powering to keep it going, not as subtle a touch.

But on the other hand, I've done as many as 7 Comet rotations on it flying indoors.

[Bram]

I just received my ITrix last week. Have flown it only once since then. Not very floaty but a great trickster indoor.

[John Barresi]

Nice colors.

[Bram]

Thanks, simple and clean. The way i like it. Tomorrow i will try some weight in the Itrix like this:

http://www.flinkmann.de/itrix-gewichtstuning.73.0.html

I'll let you know if it works out for me.

[mdilucca]

Thanks, simple and clean. The way i like it. Tomorrow i will try some weight in the Itrix like this:

http://www.flinkmann.de/itrix-gewichtstuning.73.0.html

I'll let you know if it works out for me.

Hi Bran, I tried the weight in mine but I didn't notice a big improvement. However I may need a bit more time on in. In any case I'd like to know what is your opinion on this mod.

Cheers

Mario

[John Barresi]

I would be most interested to see what effect it has on slack line.

Right now, I find the backspin cascade (with a pause between) to be difficult on the iTrix, as the nose wants to dip and it crashes.

[Bram]

I will try it out in a few hours. I hope i have enough time because we have the gym for 2 hours and i also needs to try my Pseudo (poor man's Synchro hahaha)

In my first session last week with the ITrix i was having trouble with backspins. I found out i had to stop walking while doing them.

[Bram]

Well, yesterday i tried the Itrix with 6 grams of weight. I really didn't work out very well. Yoyo's were very easy and backspins also but i other things just weren't there. Normal flight was much worse and it seems that it disturbs the balance of the kite.

I will be flying mine without the weight.

[John Barresi]

Any effect on the comet?

[Bram]

John, that's just one of the few tricks i can't do. I just don't seem to get the feeling of that trick (outdoors it's the same problem)

So i can't comment on that one, sorry

[John Barresi]

Hehe, took me 2 years to learn the Comet... Still can only do it counter-clockwise. lol

[Bram]

Yesterday i was experimenting with some weight on the Itrix again. Right now i added 3 grams at about 4 cm from the bottom of the spin. I found out it works better in backspin but still doesn't effect the floatyness (for what that's worth on the Itrix, it's not really a floater)

[John F]

Yesterday i was experimenting with some weight on the Itrix again. Right now i added 3 grams at about 4 cm from the bottom of the spin. I found out it works better in backspin but still doesn't effect the floatyness (for what that's worth on the Itrix, it's not really a floater)

I am just back from an indoor session. I experimented with abou 2 grams. Tail, nose, and both. With the weight on the nose the fade dialed in much better. The tail gave some improvement but not as much as weight on the nose. The same conclusion with weight on nose and tail. I had the same results with my Genesis SUL outdoors. A little extra weight on the nose made pitch control much better and the fades locked in like there was an indent on the setting.

I found a couple little aluminum bars about 1 inch long with a threaded hole in the middle. Used a twist tie from a loaf of bread to attach. It was excellent. Easy to change and held pretty good. I will use a tie wrap when i have the exact amount weight dialed in.

The weighted added fades, cascades and put me closer to doing a decent 540. I also felt the tracking improved.

[John F]

Discovered some new stuff again. I have been working on slot machines using the RandyG Tutorial as a basis. There was an inconsistency on getting the rotation when using the half half axle as the starting point. So I experimented and found the best setup was to just set the kite up by putting it in position while flying. Let me explain. Fly clockwise level flight just push a little with the lower wing and pull a little with the higher wing until the nose is facing almost directly away from you with the higher wing just above the horizontal. Pop the higher wing and wow it just spins a counter rotation.

I think the same principle will apply to 540's but let upper wing dip below the lower wing as in flight and then pop the lower wing.

I am learning a lot about kite dynamics flying inside which I think will help when outside. You really are close to the kite the motion is slow so you get to see the kites response to inputs relative to its attitude to the flyer. It is also nice because the sail pressure is controlable so there a lot of variations you can try.