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Unfortunately, the learning "sequence" is not strictly linear, where learning one move makes the next one possible. It is a branching structure where learning one move makes two others possible and learning those two makes four others possible and learning those makes eight possible. So, assigning any particular order to what you learn is extremely subjective. Some folks learn certain moves more easily than others, but may have difficulty with what comes easily to those others for various reasons including but not limited to their physical structure. For instance, a person with long arms will be able to throw an axel more readily than someone with short arms. That's why the tutorials on this forum are arranged in groups by (very) general skill level and explained in detail. Club 38 says "do a moonwalk and send us a video", whereas JB actually explains how to do it. Your choice -- figure it out for yourself, or have someone walk you through it. Makes no difference to me. No matter what I do, you will get what you want from flying a quad and reach the level of fun you require. Fun is what it's all about, so don't sweat the little stuff.

Understatement for sure, but I agree. The distinction also worth noting is that Club 38 is at the end, a marketing program... My intent here is to bolster the long term health and "lifespan" of pilots with actual knowledge that can be used - we never say "if you can't do it this you're doing it wrong", which is a recurring theme I've heard over there... The tact here is "do what you can imagine, and here is what will help".

I think it's matter of facets, technique vs tasks - I think concept of challenges is good, but the there is a discrepancy between flying patterns and actual teaching and understanding of the methods and technique, which is another matter entirely. Showing what do vs actually showing how to do it well. Its all of value, if you use it holistically.

John, I am with you. A number of guys on this thread look down on Club 38 for different reasons that is no reason to discourage others! I bought my first quad in Feb of this year while in Texas at the end of my trip. The next day I returned to Iowa and have been flying alot ever since and have acquired 2 more quads but from then until now I have not seen one other person fly a quad. Club 38 has been a great help to me as it has given me something to challenge me each time I go to the field. I love KiteLife and the videos that John has done but Club 38 has its place too. I could learn so much more and so much faster If I had a group of guys to fly with but thats not the case. But, until then, club 38 will keep my interest. hang in there!!

The KiteLife tutorials are a great start. Once you get the basics everything else will literally start to click for you.

You could try adding a leech line Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using KiteLife mobile app