Dave362

Good stuff, Rob I fear my hands stay out in front a bit too much even when tricking, which is why I started this thread. I'm thinking I may need to be more at my hips when tricking. I've noticed in Mama74's tutorials, and your vids as well, that folks have their hands right at their sides all the time when tricking. So I figured I'd see what others are doing and maybe try to break some bad habits....

I just disovered this vid. Man, some really great stuff! Not only is your control impressive, but I really like the way you put the different elements/moves together. Nice work! Dave

A lot of flyers (who trick way better than me) seem to fly with their hands right at their hips all the time. I tend to fly with my hands more in front of my body and close together, and then move them down to my hips for certain tricks. When flying figures, I jest feel I have more control that way. I'm just curious what others do. I really started thinking about this recently when watching the great rev tutorials on here. Hand position seems pretty important, so I figured I should inquire about what all of you do regarding dual line hand position. So what is your hand position and why? Thanks for your help! Dave

Oops! Sorry Mark, funny how easy it is to get confused on the internet.... yes, Rob is flying great and that video is really inspiring!

Rob, This is truly beautiful work! Congrats, man. Your flying is outstanding! Dave

Beautiful flying! Rob is a gifted flyer and that's the best work I've seen from him. I think I may have been unclear and I apologize for that. I wasn't refering to JL type pitch moves, in which the rotation is accomplishedd through line tension, " half lazy, Pull to unroll," But wrap tricks, such as the Lewis, Wap Do Wap, Wrapped axel, Wrapped 540, in which the pitch based rotation is acheived through a hard input followed by controlled slack, aided by inertia. For those types of moves, the greater mass of the UL over the SUL is an advantage. I apologize for the confusion. Thanks Mark! I've always found your posts helpful

I have 3 kites I like for really light wind. A 4D, QP SUL and an Ozone. All 3 fly really nicely, float around beautifully and can do real nice flat spin type moves. Now, I've never even seen a kite competition in person, so take this opinion for what its worth, but it seems to me the specific UL class has a bit more mass and the ones I've flown at least are more given to pitch based moves than a true SUL. When the winds are really light, I really enjoy just carving prretty shapes in the sky and the whole trick thing kinda goes out the window.... So for me, I just want something that will fly nicely without too much effort. The 4D is great for really small spaces, the Ozone is just beautiful in the sky. Once the wind gets up around 4 or 5 I just switch to a standard.

John, That is genius! I got the camping chair out of the garage. The bag holds all four revs and the 2 wrqp frame. I have a little mesh bag for handles line sets and a stake. It even looks nice! this is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This looks like a great kite. Lots of my dualies are getting pretty ragged. Ii would sure love to replace one of them with this! Drwaing or not, I think one of these is in my future..........

I've flown the Silver Fox UL a bunch. Nice kite, tricks well. A good friend I used to fly with regularly had one and I used to make him let me fly it all the time. He flew it in some pretty light winds. Thing is, It wasn't the lightest UL available, but it had a large sail area, and coupled with some light wind technique managed pretty well. I've flown the Zeph a bit too and it was nice. For the range you mentioned. 3 to 10, I think a lot of available kites would do real well. Just my opinion, but I would buy what you like and can affford, and then spend a little time on simple, basic light wind techniques. You should be all set Best of luck in your UL search! Dave

I will enjoy those archives, John. Thank you

No worries, Wayne. Sounds like a cool sail pattern. Mine is asymetrical. Red white purple and black. Looks like a nasty bruise, but it flies great!

My next kite will be a Zen!

Some very good suggestions here. I went out to fly some Revs today and think I've come up with a temporary fix. I took my Prism speed bag, which holds between 3 and 5 kites. it has a full length, rather stout carbon rod to help the little bag hold its shape. I put the framing in the slot next to the big carbon rod. As suggested above, I left it in the plastic bag it came in. One thing I always do in these open ended bags is put the kite sleeves in open end first, so the stitched closed end of the sleeve pocket keeps anything from slipping out. I did the same with the spare frame and I think for now at least, I'm good. Thanks for all the great advice! Dave

Thanks Rob! I did find a few, but they weren't that old. I agree, its fun to see older kites adertised as the next thing! Wayne, I still have the sail to mine. Its in perfect shape. One of my goals is to re frame it and get it in the air again. I sure had a lot of fun with that kite. I remember the included video was, well, strange....... I'd love to see a picture of yours!

Hi all, This is a great site. I find myself inspired by the history and kiting traditions in evidence here. I was going through some stuff in the basement this morning and pulled out a few things I haven't seen in a long time. Now I realize my modest collection of memorabilia can't compare to what many others have. Still, the fun is in the sharing. There are some old kite field cards, my favorite being the Stranger. I took a picture of some of my SKQ magazines, as well as the first issue of American Kite to feature our gracious host. I like that issue also because it features the late Leland Toy, one of kitings great gentle souls. I have an old blown up photo my wife took of my TOTL team kites, plus the sky claws I still fly them on. There are some early stunt kite manuals including that so interesting Kite Precision by Ron Reich. Somewhere in there is a photo copy of the original Prism Guide, which offered some of the earliest, known to me, information on trick kiting. Anyway, nothing special here, just a few items that mean a lot to me. Carry on, Dave

Congrats on the purchase of the vented DS. I had the standard for a long time and loved it. Beautifully made, great flyer. I just registered on here so I came to the party a little late for this thread. I'd still like to make a comment, however. as I have a bunch of experience with the VV QP. It has 4 removable vent covers that allow you to vary the amount of venting. Interestingly, my feeling is the venting isn't what makes it trickable in strong winds. If anything, the venting to me makes it feel a bit mushy in response to hard inputs. They do, however, make the kite easier to stall in the middle of the window. I pull mine out when the wind is in the upper teens. I do feel a standard sail dualie is no harder to trick in strong wind than a vented. Its just that the vented can safely be flown in more wind, and that the tricks I can pull off in a fresh breeze with a standard end up being on the edge. Not sure any of that is useful, but its always fun to be involved in the discussion.

Now that is a great idea! perfect. Thanks Wayne! Off the the hardware store..... Dave

I have 2 wrap frame for my NYM and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions regarding transport it safely. I've never had extra sticks to take to the field before and am a little worried I might bust one before I get to fly it.... I've got a couple of large dual line kite bags, but nowhere to safely put spars in. I know the Rev specific bags have a slot for them, but I probably won't be able to afford one for awhile. Any suggestions? Thanks! Dave