matthew_birkett Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 hey so i have ad my kite for a few months now and i have mastered the basics moves, what would be the next step or move to learn, i have a rev many thanks matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exult Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Well it depends of what basic means... It is a bit difficult to recommend anything new when it is not obvious where you are. Also I wouldn't say that all progress is necessarily linear. In the mean time one can always polish what one already can do and do variations in tempo. You could always make sequences/figures of the known stuff in various speeds. E.g.: Can you side slide - try it vertically back and forth. Can you do one dead stop - make it a rapid series (how quickly can you make a start/stop cycle...), Now instead make it slow while trying to minimize any wobble. One can think of the small details. How can you vary the "default" 90 deg turn (whatever that would be)? Do you stop before the turn, do you preserve the speed or do you speed up the kite? Is the pivot point at the wing tip, in the centre of the kite or in a point in between? I like exercises that are cyclic, that gets you back to the start position (again and again), because that quickly gives you those repetitions that are good when learning (and aren't we all learning constantly?). Have you practiced the "basic moves" in low wind yet? Tried a short line set? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cot51stState Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 @Exult has a lot of good info. Something I've been working on is speed. Those movements you can blast through in a successive blur, can you do them in a slow deliberate manner? Can you stop at any point in the wind window at any attitude and hold it for a beat or four? To me it seems 'doing nothing effectively' can be the hardest skill to refine. I think @Paul LaMasters first made me consider its importance in a post about 'holding your hover'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew_birkett Posted July 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 cool guys thank you there is some great info there! @Cot51stStatei never really thought about doing things slower but ill give it a go next time im out (beach day on Saturday woop woop). i can hold a hover in all orientations and i can go backwards.... @Exult i never noticed about stopping before turning? i will have a look on saturday and its same with the pivot point, what would be the best approch to that? i was looking at videos on line and saw a flip flap.....yeah it didnt go well ha ha and another one where you kinda lay the kite flat then spin it while its flat....giving up on that one too for a while ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cot51stState Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 56 minutes ago, matthew_birkett said: cool guys thank you there is some great info there! @Cot51stStatei never really thought about doing things slower but ill give it a go next time im out (beach day on Saturday woop woop). @Exult It's the difference between completing a maneuver and controlling the maneuver. You start recognizing surge and oversteer, and playing with the tuning on your handles to eliminate it. I think @John Barresicalls it "flying with intent". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 https://kitelife.com/2012/03/30/flying-with-intent/ Semi-related... https://kitelife.com/2012/06/28/when-it-becomes-routine/ https://kitelife.com/2012/09/26/working-the-wind-window/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exult Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 You can go backwards and, I assume, forwards. You can hold a hover in any direction. You can turn in some manner. From this you should be able to start/land with the leading edge (LE) upwards/downwards? You attempted a quad slack line trick (a flic flac) very early and write in a kind of condensed way. Action/just go for it, seems to be a driving force? (Me obviously going Sherlock or Freud today... 🤔 ) A flic flac is IMO more of an icing on the cake, but less an early stage building block. If you want action also in low and low/medium wind, learn how to power up the kite by for a moment pulling on all four lines. Also try doing it rather aggressively. For the kite to respond and to really grab the air, function like an efficient wing and jump forward (instead of more towards you), you need to have quite much brake. Find and maximise the response in the lines when tugging on all the lines. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exult Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 20 hours ago, matthew_birkett said: beach day on Saturday woop woop OK, now something for your Saturday beach day (and many sessions to come). Work on a couple of things: Side slides Bicycle rotations Power-ups/deadstops Small figures, like a square, rhomb, triangle... Side slides Do an inverted hover close to the edge of the wind window and just drift downwind. When you can do this (not necessarily on Saturday), try speeding it up by driving the kite sideways by pulling mostly on the front side handle. Pulling like this hard will cause the powered kite to turn following the now curved LE. To counteract this and continue in a straight line, apply brake on the trailing side and release brake on the leading side. Bicycle rotations Keep the center in one place. Power-ups/deadstops I see this as a two stroke thing (the thumbs should be on top of the handles): Pull on all four lines to speed up. Throw out your thumbs/arms in front of you to stop the kite. It should be like if you are hitting something in front of you with your thumbs while your arms extend front/downwards. Small figures, like a square, rhomb, triangle... You don't want to look like you just are having problems in making the kite fly? Include figures! It is also a good over all practice in control. Let us know how it goes! Yes a last (important) tip. With a rev-like kite don't use unnecessarily short settings on the top line, instead use one of the outermost knots. To find a good trim point on your upper leaders you can test it by doing a LE up hover (except for in the lowest of winds). Extend the top line setting until you can barely keep the hover. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cot51stState Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 @Exult I started following this post in hopes to assist (since I was in the same spot as @matthew_birkett just a couple of years ago). I'm continuing to follow in order to soak up all this great information you are dispensing. Thank you for all your contributions. 🤙🤙 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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