John Barresi Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Their patent on design expired a little while back. It's commonly accepted as okay to make a few for personal use, and not for resale. Rev WILL sell all-white sails, if you're just looking to do an applique project. Real Revs fly better. Quote
Baloo Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Posted February 7, 2007 Hi QK, et al. Understand your concerns. However if we look away from the obviously recognisable outline of a Rev beutiful, lovely, graceful and all the other words we might use to describe them. Look towards the soft foils, quad dual whatever. And I accept that there must be folk who can easily tell one from the other. They are ALL similar. Slightly tuned or trimed with different bridles but basicly similar. Obviously "Revolution" have put a LOT of effort into developing the kite we know today. In making the best quad line of its type many are going to copy its basic design if not exact measurements. So we will end up with similar shaped kites. I think that if one of my Revs ripped I would have a go at remaking the sail. I DEFINATLY think that making Rev shaped kites and selling them as Revolutions is a BIG no no, I have been caught out allready if you look at the start of this thread. I now have a kite that LOOKS a bit like a SuperSonic, it isnt one boo hoo, but it flies and the guy I bought it off says he THOUGHT it was a Rev (It did say it was a Revolution in the advert though) So my thoughts, Making a kite that is Rev shaped for yourself is probably OK. Repairing a Rev by making a sail is probably OK. Saying it is a Rev is a big NO NO. Selling it for profit is NO NO. Putting a Rev type LOGO on it is definaly NO. I would say maybe making it for somone else might be questionable. I suppose one question to ask is how patented or copyright is the shape. The general shape or the exact shape? Anyway those are my thoughts, I am open to being persuaded otherwise. Quote
johnnmitchell Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Their patent on design expired a little while back.And it was never a registered patent in all or most European countriesIt's commonly accepted as okay to make a few for personal use, and not for resale. Very true. I used this to develop improvements such as the venting used on REVs today which came from my work in 1993 and 1994. I was also able to create specials such as the pink panther and the USA flag. Rev WILL sell all-white sails, if you're just looking to do an applique project.also black and they were doing this all the way back in 1996Real Revs fly better. In the high majority of the cases that is true. Back in the 1990's before the European borders opened free of customs between the EU countries, the sole importer of Revolution kites in Germany was selling them for about twice the USA list price. Today it has become competitive amongst the kite dealers in Europe, thus the prices have come down to a reasonable level. Quote
Quad KiT Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 My B series is on its way to my house!!! In blue color! I'm SO excited. And it is authentic! Just providing that information as a disclaimer to my next question... But to make it a little more personal let's consider this scenario... Ok so John, if I told you that I am really inspired by your awesome customizing and the ideas behind the weighting system that I am going to build a copy, excluding your sig, iQUAD logo, and REV name, of your B series, but not purchase an actual one is that cool or not? Baloo, I generally accept the sail issue. At that point if you have purchased the kite and destroyed it, you should be able to repair it by building a new sail. I am not sure where I stand with just flat out building one, I think I am leaning towards the builders because sometimes you just can't have what you want. I have even seen custom ones posted on web sites that are endorsed by REV, so it can't be that big of a deal. And while I am not sure if I am cool with building my own rev from plans or from copying I surely don't have anything against the people who are doing it. I just have tossed the idea back and forth and wanted to get some feedback on the issue. More than likely this is what happens with people who just build them for the sake of building one: "Oh wow that kite flys awesome, where can I get one? You can get one from Revolution." Which probably generates revenue for REV in the long run. Sincerely, a devil's advocated KiT PS: To stay within topic range, look at the attachment. Quote
John Barresi Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 My B series is on its way to my house!!! In blue color! I'm SO excited. And it is authentic! Right on, I know you'll enjoy it. But to make it a little more personal let's consider this scenario...Ok so John, if I told you that I am really inspired by your awesome customizing and the ideas behind the weighting system that I am going to build a copy, excluding your sig, iQUAD logo, and REV name, of your B series, but not purchase an actual one is that cool or not? Had to go and make it personal, eh?Yes, I think I'd have an issue with that scenario... I wouldn't have any legal grounds, but it doesn't feel ethical to me. I am not sure where I stand with just flat out building one, I think I am leaning towards the builders because sometimes you just can't have what you want. I have even seen custom ones posted on web sites that are endorsed by REV, so it can't be that big of a deal. It should be noted that these builders (like www.sportkite.com) are buying plain sails from Rev, and appliquing on them. In the case of the masterpiece series, the artists are making raw sails (unfinished) which are then finished by Rev in the factory with leading edges, reinforcements, bridle, frame, etc. More than likely this is what happens with people who just build them for the sake of building one: "Oh wow that kite flys awesome, where can I get one? You can get one from Revolution." Which probably generates revenue for REV in the long run. This is the conclusion that many of us have come to in the long run, as long as it doesn't get out of hand. Quote
Quad KiT Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 Had to go and make it personal, eh?Yes, I think I'd have an issue with that scenario... I wouldn't have any legal grounds, but it doesn't feel ethical to me. It has been said that all politics are local, heh... It should be noted that these builders (like www.sportkite.com) are buying plain sails from Rev, and appliquing on them.In the case of the masterpiece series, the artists are making raw sails (unfinished) which are then finished by Rev in the factory with leading edges, reinforcements, bridle, frame, etc. Yeah those are clear cut. I am thinking about custom african designs I have seen and stained glass looking ones. Links can be provided. But I think my point is they wouldn't be welcomed on sites if people who maintained the sites really had big issues with them so in general I don't think there are problems as long as like you said, "people don't get out of hand." Quote
ant man Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 john any idea on what that will cost i sent a few e mails to lolly but never got a reply on that topic i wanted an all white 1.5 sail and want to know how much they are i have frames and bridles i just want the sail to where i can assemble it to my stuff Quote
John Barresi Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 No clue what plain sails cost... Ben could tell you easier than I. Quote
Jim Foster Posted February 9, 2007 Report Posted February 9, 2007 As most know, Lynn and I have made four quads. The flamed quad and the checkered quad both won first place ribbons at WSIKF in 2005. We also made two patriotic vented quads. We have six Revolution quads. The first was a blue and pink EXP that I modified to the patriotic design that I fly most. We just bought another blue and pink EXP which we will modify to match the first as we like matching kites when we fly together. It will be done by kite party. Both Lolly and Joe have seen our home made quads and have been assurred that we will not make any to sell, or give as gifts, only for our use. Making a quad is lots of work. It is far easier to earn the money, and buy a Revolution. And yes, when someone asks where they can get a kite like ours we always say, "Go buy a Revolution". Jim Quote
Baloo Posted April 7, 2007 Author Report Posted April 7, 2007 Just thought I would rejouvinate this one as my "family" has changed a little. I now have Mum, Dad, the Twins, Triplits, two poor cousins little and quick and a Fanatic. Got a couple of "soft" kites as well. The Stack is yet to fly, the mini my first try at making also not tried yet. I know a few of you have new additions, thought I would bump this up. Quote
monkey Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 I know a few of you have new additions, thought I would bump this up. I've been slowly getting mine together for pictures.... http://www.simian-studios.ca/kites.html Quote
ant man Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 monkey you do have alot of revs but whn you get to wildwood we will have to see who has more you or quad kit Quote
Quad KiT Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 LOL my time would be better spent learning how to fly them with lessons from Monkey and John. But to tease you a little Ant, I have attached another family member Notice the sand dunes... I didn't leave you much! Quote
monkey Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 monkey you do have alot of revs but whn you get to wildwood we will have to see who has more you or quad kit Thats not even all of them yet, but, kris is close! Ok, Ive officially counted. 26 if you include the UFO 2 x RevIIs (they are in a stack together) 2 x Rev1s (they are in a stack together) 2 Vented Rev 1s 3 Rev 1s 1 Backtracker 1 UFO 2 Indoor Revs 1 exotic 1 Neos Omega 3 Vented 1.5s 8 1.5s Quote
Quad KiT Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 LOL I will count later. But do I include the 3 I have on order? Quote
Baloo Posted April 8, 2007 Author Report Posted April 8, 2007 You quite like 1.5's then Monkey 8-) Almost half the Revs you have. Didnt see the Neos on your site. Any chance you can post it here. Only seen one pic of a Neos and think that is on the Rev site. Anyone else might like to post a picture of thier Neos as well?? Quote
Quad KiT Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 Isn't a NEO just a REV 1? Only that it is the original REV 1? Baloo, your REV 1 looks like a NEO only it is missing the logo. Quote
Baloo Posted April 8, 2007 Author Report Posted April 8, 2007 Just loked on the Rev Historic pictures. You are right QK, mine looks just like a Neos, shame about that LoGo. Lolly did tell me mine was a vry early Rev 1. Would still be nice to see a picture of one (or 2) on here though. Quote
ant man Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 LOL my time would be better spent learning how to fly them with lessons from Monkey and John.But to tease you a little Ant, I have attached another family member Notice the sand dunes... I didn't leave you much! well quad kit im here went out last night with my lomax and the night lights those dunes have plenty left but i put mi signiture next to yours today im going to head to kitty hawk kites and check out what they have while i cant give pics for now due to me being on my lap top and my camera giveing me problems no worries i will try my best to gwt things going Quote
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