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If you are considering quad line kites, the skill sets are mostly distinct. You can learn to fly a quad without learning to fly dual, and you can learn to fly a dual without learning a quad. Quad line kites are generally slower and deliberate, far more precise with the ability to slow, stop, and reverse. Dual line kites have more options including kites with high power or force if you like a workout, kites with extreme speed, and kites capable of amazing acrobatic tricks. Some skills are transferable like understanding the wind window or understanding how air turbulence affects flight, but mostly you can learn either one in about the same time frame. With the help of an experienced pilot that can give immediate feedback you can learn basic control in an hour or two. Without an experienced guide you will need experimentation and instructional videos and it will take longer.

Hi everyone, I've been flying a foil for a few years now. Just over a year ago I almost lost my beloved HQ symphony to a tv aerial, and started to look to see what else was out there. I saw some videos of tricks on deltas that could never work with a foil. So I bought a sport kite. I see it as being a form of active meditation, though it's more frustrating that the foil which is a really calming experience. I'd like to be much more competent. Practice, practice, practice.

If you truly want a Zen experience, you must learn to fly quads. At first it will be even more frustrating than flying a dual, but with time you will learn to control the beast. Then you will become one with the wind. The journey will not end.

Think you'll find out your Limbo is not a bad kite at all for a newbie. Think it's a decent high wind kite no matter your skill set.Would really like to poke fun at you.Saying things like DUH. No one did it to me so I'll refrain.Sunday was definitely another DUH moment for me. Had another one yesterday. I really don't want to remember how many DUHs I've had learning this stuff. Good thing is I've learned to laugh at myself like never before .

Thanks for the input. South Point does always have wind and usually lots of it, but I was hoping to find other locations closer to Kona. Flying on Mauna Loa would be different at 13,681 feet and low O2 levels!

I could do with some advice. Im new to sports kites. Im flying an HQ limbo (150cm span? Something like that) at the moment and finding it very fast and crash-y. I realise lots of that is pilot error. Im getting some quite nice shapes with it and can land and take off ok, but I'm not finding it very satisfactory. Having read a few threads on here, I'm starting to understand why. I'd like a larger, slower kite that I can learn to stall and trick a bit more easily. Robust construction is quite key, for those abrupt landings. Being in England, the buying options are a bit limited. There isn't a shop near me to visit, so I'm reliant on web research and advice. I'm looking at a Prism Quantum or an HQ Jive, though I think it's ugly. Both about £100. Maybe an Elliot Slide. Am I missing something? If there is a second hand market, I haven't found it.

I take this is a very polite way(/example of) of encouraging checking of kite gear/kite that otherwise could be a contributing source of the frustration.

I've only flown on Ohau, no idea - but fly one for all of us!

A lot of Premier kites single and duals are designed by Wayne Brunjes and Jon Trennepohl. Jon owns Sky Burner kites which are made in the U.S. You'll here a lot about Sky Shark framing . Believe he has controlling interest if not all in Sky Shark. Had a Addiction that's been replaced with a Psycho. Grand kids still have one. Kites still a little fast for them. They prefer my Zephyr and Pro Dancer.Kite is a total blast to fly.Out of the 3 similar sized kites I've had it is the fastest followed by Nighthawk and Black Dog. Carbon framed like the Black Dog and a little tougher IMHO. I've broken 3 whiskers on the BD. If you got the parts simple fix that costs about 12 to 15 cents. Those 3 don't fit for your wants at all. Premier Widow ng is a good kite to read up on for a baseline. Then compare to other similar kites. If I were just starting out the newest Flying Wings Silver Fox 2.5 redesigned by Lam Houc would be high on my list. Don't pay that much attention to the UK market but like Premier I don't think Flying wings is in many of your kite shops. Bought and sold kites on GWTW and have not had a bad experience at all. Another option is to contact Krijn thru GWTW. He is a topnotch sail maker and flyer in Holland.Kareloh is another. Both have excellent videos and Icky TV is fantastic. Tell him what you're looking for and then let him lead you to a kite design. He can make you a sail and bridle. That saves on shipping and import costs.He'll tell you how to frame it. Then get your frame from a UK kite shop.Framing is pretty easy.You'd get a ton of help here and the other forums if you got stuck.Pretty sure Krijn wouldn't let you get stuck in the first place. You'd end up with a pretty sweet kite. If Sky Burner doesn't make some Widow Makers this fall or winter I'll be talking to Blue Moon Kites and Krijn for my next sul. I'd get 1 from both but budget constraints only allow for 1 at a time. I'll be getting my 1st true speed kite this winter too. Got all the parts just have to figure out which one to make.Oh and how to make it LOL

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Shelter Cove, Ca has grassy, park by, plateaus running along 20 feet above the beach. Good wind and great views. So, yesterday I noticed National Weather Service says 10-15 mph, gusts to 20. OK. I have been looking for wind since the summer doldrums. I went with 90' lines and started with JB 1.5 mid vent. Since this was my first flight, I figured the mid vent would be the one to try. Not so. Too quick for me. Did ok but thank God my son in law was there to turn the kite when I crashed after about 30-60 seconds. I would go to the top of the window and hover thinking about what I would do next. Resting....hiding. Don't want to spin and crash. That's when I says " Let's get out the Full Vent." Easy switch to lines. Wind is wild. The mid vent Was pulling me forward and the kite looked liked like an emaciated old man's rib cage in the air. I must say that I am so happy I got the full vent in a deal. It turns out that it flew great. It flew slow enough that I could think about what I wanted to do and how I would do that. I was hovering anywhere I put it, take off and landings like a piper cub doing touch and goes. Inverted take offs were easy. The full vent turns out to be my great beginner discovery for this high wind learning situation. This first flight, doing some of the things I learned watching John Barresi videos, was a definite high. Thanks to the Kite Life community for all the help getting to that first flight with some encouragement and knowledge. Willie B

This is one of the more outstanding things I've read about kites.

I have to take the wind I get if I want to fly. But, right now, the best thing I have going for my quad flying evolution is my wife and son in law who windmill my sail for me when I go down. It's all fun, even messing with the twisted lines.

@CaCondor, welcome to the dark side. Glad you were inspired by the Berkeley Kite Festival, and perfect timing on your post. The Bay Area Sport Kite League (BASKL) is doing a Learn to Fly workshop this Saturday Aug. 11 at Cesar Chavez Park a.k.a. the Berkeley Marina (where the kite festival was). We'll be happy to help you get that quad kite on some lines and off the ground. No kite yet? No problem. We've got a few you can fly. Some of us who were flying quad demos at the festival will be there on Saturday. Maybe you'll get to meet and learn from the very person who made an impression at the festival. We'll be there from 10am to 3pm-ish. Come for the whole day or drop by when you can. No set schedule; we help people as you show up.