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If money is no object, Fly JB out for a week of private lessons.. More expensive than a kite for sure but you'll definitely be able to fly everything in your bag, possibly including the bag itself..

I placed the venting in our mid vent very specifically, so as not to lose sail pressure in the wrong places, and the vents are also a bit smaller than most mid vents with the Sync Bridle working to moderate speed surges and pull, so we didn't need as much - all this means more sail in the lower end. Its still not a standard, but it's not that far off in terms of flyability, and a much bigger upper wind range. A little venting also helps absorb gusts and turbulence, but not so much as to kill your power when the wind drops out.

Thanks for your thoughts guys, I really appreciate them. As far as my original question, here is what I am thinking. The Djinn is going to be the better all around quad. John put an incredible amount of time and himself into this wing and it shows!! The fulcrum is also a very good quad, but is a different animal. Not necessarily better or worse, but different. Thanks again!! Lon

If you plan to never fly anywhere but SLC you're fine. I'm sure you get winds over 20mph a few times each year. If you want to fly then without wrecking your equipment you'll want to have a full vent in your bag. Granted, it will stay in your bag most of the time, but when you need it and don't have it . . . . I have 14 Rev kites and several home-made quads, not to mention dual and single line kites. Most of them don't see the light of day as often as they should, but when the occasion presents itself, or I'm just in the mood, I have what suits the situation.

You should come to Lincoln Summer Fest. Tons of friendly flyers. I've met many great people here. There's a festival south of the festival. All the people that show up for the show put on their own show. Your not that far away. SLC to PDX + a 2 hour drive.

This is true of most vented vs non vented kites. 👍🏻 I would offer that the wind range on the MV, VT and XT models of Djinn are probably wider on both ends than most of the comparable models from other brands except maybe a Shook Mesh or vented Polo. Last year, we had the STD, MV and VTD all flying team together in about 7 mph beach wind without any issues. The MV is a highly versatile inland kite for better than UL conditions. And, I LOVE kites, always appreciate a chance to speak with someone passionate about it, especially if they're new-ish, the questions are better. 😇

Looking at your bag I'd say you next kite is a Djinn full vent. Flying in non beach winds I feel it backs up and bicycles better than the standard.

The green family (3 greens), Yellow Family, (2 Yellows), Orange Family, (2 Oranges) and Red Family, (3 Reds including a bit of pink) are all cut and ready for sewing prep.. This will be a 6 stack at first. I may go back and add a dark blue and even a wine color to make it 8.

That may be the problem honestly as you are right, I really do NOT need either😉

Djinn is top of the top but if you have( like me) the curiosity and budget to check and have different models and brands with different characteristics and shapes buy both or at least try them. Fulcrum is have a different and unique shape and because of that a higher pull is expected but on the same time will fly on positions where a flat kite is collapsing

I recommend a full vent. A Djinn if it doesn't break the bank.

Ah, rounding up the quad array with a vented kite might be useful, in whatever model you find most appealing to you... Vented quads have an amazing upper range, and can generally maintain control / comfort at least 10mph over that of any dual line.

I'll back up what Riff said... Buy whatever new kite you find of interest within budget, but you do already have what you need to get an excellent flight experience and education - key things now are learning how to tune the kite, make sure the lines are equalized and advance your understanding of the interface, the richer techniques.

@Lon Honestly, unless the money is burning a hole in your pocket, you have pretty much what you need to learn. I'd make sure you had good lines and handles and wait until you've had the chance to fly other options before grabbing something else.. Literally ask yourself what are YOU looking for that you don't have covered by your current set.

Lon how many, if any other quads do you have? The fulcrum is a beautiful kite and is very fun to fly, but it’s kind of in its own realm. The Djinn on the other hand is at the top of its class. All the refinements John has done to it make it the most flier friendly kite on the market today. It will take you and your flying to what ever level your capable of flying. I own an entire set of Djinns and they are pretty much the only quads I fly now. I did purchase one of the first 5 fulcrums from kites and fun things and rarely fly it. I’d definitely say try one before you buy it, it’s way different than a Djinn or any other quad kite on the market today. If your on the Oregon coast I’ll let you try mine out.