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The durability experience that riffclown had I think means more than where it was made. I know riffclown had Freilein kites for some time and has put them through their paces.

Four years later I have no complaints and the fold marks have not been problematic in the long run..

Icarex is a name brand for PC31 fabric.. Vertigo is a lighter fabric PC21 and the fear when the Vertigo was first released was the durability of the fabric itself. FWIW, Icarex is also a Chinese fabric. The difference here is the weight of the fabric and expected durability.. Having owned several Vertigos and a few Exodus kites, I have no personal complaints with the durability of either. I will note that the Vertigos have do a tendency to mar at the crease marks and that has been since the kites were new but I have yet to have a run, tear or fabric failure in either model. (I throw launch a stack of Vertigos so I'm not easy on them by any stretch of the imagination) A couple or relevant threads https://kitelife.com/forum/topic/7389-4-lines-your-choices/

Exodus is Icarex. Vertigo is cheaper Chinese polyester.

The lines that come with it are good to 8bft. That's 46mph wind. If you can stay on your feet in 46mph wind, would you really want to have all that flying debris hitting the back of your head? I have flown in 40mph wind. For about five minutes. Gave up and headed for the bar. It's a rush and entertaining for about 5 minutes. After that you just want to go inside.

Keep an eye on eBay and this forum. Used ones in good condition show up often, especially when the weather gets colder.

I'd check out local pawn shops. Believe it or not, I've come across a few sets.

EXP is a beginner kite and its main basic draw is that it comes ready to fly.. Lots of flyers start with an EXP but very few keep them once they start to progress in skill (except to let others try them). It would serve your well to learn on, but you'd be wanting more once you get flying more. NYM is a bit higher end, but is a nice performer. It never really clicked for me. The B Series was the standard by which all other kites were judged for many years. If you can find a used one for a good price, that is a great option. If you have the opportunity to try other people's kites, that is your best single option, bar none.

Happy Thanksgiving! It's about the feel, and I know as an experienced duel line flyer you know what I mean. I have never flow a Reflex. I know it's higher end. Like anything new, in my humble opinion, it's better to start with a basic model and graduate. Bear in mind I am a rank amateur. I started with an EXP, then went to New York Minute, then a Barresi 1.5, and now a Djinn. I still love to fly my NYM. The EXP I break out when I see him just sitting in my bag being lonely! When you get the one your love, you will know. Find one that "feels" right to you, and as John always says, practice, practice, practice. Happy Flying!

The reason for the XX and RX and everything else in the Rev line at the moment is so they can add springs and still put the word "patented" on their kites and bags. The trademark for the Hadzicki design expired so ANYONE can make the shape now. After 20 years of getting feedback on how to make the kite better, folks like Bazzer, John Barresi, OSK and others are implementing those upgrades and making simply better kites. Rev added Springs and decided that that was the answer for everyone. They also changed their framing but not to be better, just to make it non compatible.

Worldwide and over 300 EUR free. I just had talked to Pedro yesterday. Great customer service !! I know only one other manufacturer who was so customer friendly and helpful when ordering: Some guy named @John Barresi The Detox has a good reputation for craftsmanship and flies very precisely.

I own an XX, but it is a very early prototype. I also own a bunch of others models, various brands and sail configurations and live to compare kites. first problem? Severe oversteer, you release the steering wheel and the vehicle goes wildly off the road instantly,... I hate that! If you want to turn in the center of the sail, this model is fun, if you want wingtip turns keep away. secondly, it is way too heavy for a low wind kite, it flies but graceful like a cattle truck,... heyitprobably survives your learning crashes though third, none of the framing members in my possession fit this model, fourth, you will be the only XX owner in your kite club,... is that good? i would sell mine, but everyone I know is too smart locally, can't give it away either as it was a trade for flawed diamond tubes custom ordered for the Zen,... rather than "make it right" (they were too long) Rev sent the XX instead. That action ended a 25 year relationship good for a thousand dollars each season, not thru retailers direct from the factory!