Neither kite rings a bell with me, and I started flying in '89!!! More than likely they both have been discontinued! Any good shop should be able to repair the broken parts, those haven't changed that much!! I wonder if these kites are capable of any "tricks"!!! They might be ok to get you flying again, though!! If you like them after flying some, you might look at a reasonably priced intermediate stunter!!! Rob, (Must86), you got anything on them??