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Zen rods baffle me. I love my hybrid frame with sticks. Gives life to that big kite. Good luck with your test, Wayne.

http://kitelife.com/forum/user/7665-ari-wiz/

Read the rules: http://kitelife.com/forum/topic/5426-rules-and-guidelines-please-read/ Make sure you are okay with them Go to the current drawing: http://kitelife.com/forum/topic/6174-karma-revolution-exp-91514/ Start a post with the entry phrase ("I'm in" is the phrase for this drawing) and you are entered.

Spot on, JB. Members from Canada, Hawaii, and Alaska are welcome to enter the Karma drawings provided they are willing to help cover half of the shipping costs. Please join us. There's a pretty nice Rev drawing open for entry right now.

Any word from our winner?

Just 3 people? Come on folks this is a great prize. Let's see some action.

Excellent prize, Mark!

makatakam is quick off of the mark. The new drawing is posted. This thread is being locked. Good luck to all. and again on behalf of myself and the other moderators, thank you all so much for participating and keeping the karma going. -Barton

No RNG, Mark, just a regular, old manual drawing. Congratulations!

Sounds like you're going to need a kite with holes in it

The drawing is in the works. Apologies for the delay.

Back to the original topic, Rob. I found the Zen extremely frustrating out of the bag. This was supposed to be the light wind Rev and be all kinds of awesome. I found that my B-Pro Standard with black race was more capable down to 2-3 mph than the Zen with the complete Zen frame. Even when it flew, the Zen flew like a temperamental truck. Slow and heavy and if you tried to force it, it just fell out of the sky. I got my first set of diamonds in my B-Pro and was about to put the Zen away forever, when I met Bazz at TI and he encouraged me to change out the frame in the Zen. I did, and it became a whole different kite. It is still slow, but it is a graceful slow now, rather than a stubborn slow. It is a different type of flying, but not frustrating anymore. Don't adapt your flying to a bad kite. Make the kite better. That's my opinion.

Welcome back, Nick. You got it right.

I have family in Cleveland. That's not far away at all.

The diamonds are definitely "springier" than the black race. Lighter too. I still say the key to that Zen is going to be getting a different frame for it too.

Barry, where exactly in SE Tennessee do you reside? I'm a Mid East Tennessean. Maybe we can hook up sometime and deal with our lovely inland winds together.

Now I know how to pronounce it in my head!

Apologies Mark (makatakam) I was trying to ask Mark (Imoaks) . I can't tell if that starts with an uppercase "i" or a lowercase "L"

I have a question, Mark. Does your username start with an uppercase "i" or a lowercase "L" ?

Is that an "I Like" entry?

Fred, that is an awesome prize. Thank you for keeping the Karma going in such a great way. Since I already own that exact kite, I will be sitting this one out (unless no one else enters), but I expect many people to "LIKE" this prize and enter. Come on, folks, get entered into this drawing.

Fred has been in touch. He and I are working on getting his new drawing posted (it's a very sweet prize). As soon as that one goes up, I will lock this one. Thank you all so much for being who you are and keeping this going.

If you want to really get something out of the Zen, you need to get rid of the Zen frame. Those sticks are way too spongy and unresponsive. I fly it with a 2-wrap center and 3-wrap ends on the leading edge and black race verticals (this is the frame that Bazzer recommended to me for the Zen at TI this summer). The 2-wrap lets the center flex to load the sail properly, but the rest has the stiffness you need to not let it all spill out. For my money though, the best Rev for low to no wind is a B-Pro Standard with Diamonds on short lines.

Since my wife loves purple, this could be the gateway to getting her over to the dark side