SKITCH Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 OK...I'm finally getting to where I feel a little more comfortable with my kite....and having a blast every time I fly it. That to me is mission accomplished...step 1. Now, I'm getting confused. First everyone talked about different LE's for the SLE...did it. Got a 2 wrap instead of 3 wrap by accident...but still love it. (I'll get the 3 wrap soon) NOW....I hear so much talk about the vented vs non-vented. What kind of wind do you need to justify the vented. Those of you in the NW....do we have that type of wind? What is the difference going to be when comparing say, a standard with 2 wrap LE to a vented with 2 wrap LE in the same, moderate winds? I've flown mine now in some pretty hefty wind with the new LE and it seemed to work OK.....I was a little worried once that the wind was too strong...but everything went just fine. I want to work on slides, stopping anywhere anytime, etc. Any info would be appreciated..... Do I need to just suck it up and try to buy matching B series standard and vented kites......then I would have 2, 3, and 4 wrap and the SLE? I want to grow and become one with my kite.... Thanks... P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant man Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 by far the 2 wrap for the vented is the best for 8 to 13 winds mabie more when the get real high i switch to a 3 wrap remember this 2 wrap light winds 3 wrap moderate 4 wrap heavy i hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 OK...I'm finally getting to where I feel a little more comfortable with my kite....and having a blast every time I fly it. That to me is mission accomplished...step 1. Sweet! Just wait until you spend some time with other Rev pilots. NOW....I hear so much talk about the vented vs non-vented. What kind of wind do you need to justify the vented. Those of you in the NW....do we have that type of wind? What is the difference going to be when comparing say, a standard with 2 wrap LE to a vented with 2 wrap LE in the same, moderate winds? My experience with the vented Rev 1.5 is that it's even more precise and holds far better reverse flight. The standard sails are much faster and have a real SNAP to the motion... Not quite as precise as a vented, but more bang and speed. Estimate of my preferred vented frame combos: 6-12mph| 2 wrap frame 12-18mph | 3 wrap frame 18-25mph | 4 wrap frame 25mph + | 4 wrap frame, added 3 or 4 wrap (double leading edge) Do I need to just suck it up and try to buy matching B series standard and vented kites......then I would have 2, 3, and 4 wrap and the SLE? Assuming you already have an SLE leading edge in your bag... With those two packages, you should be able to fly in pretty much anything above 3mph right off... Down to 1-2mph with some basic techniques and a little more work... Plus, it's generally a better price than buying 2 SLE sails and the 4 complete frame sets (1x2wrap, 2x3wrap, 1x4wrap) the vented and standard B-Series come with when purchased together. My 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Watson Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 OK...I'm finally getting to where I feel a little more comfortable with my kite....and having a blast every time I fly it. That to me is mission accomplished...step 1. Now, I'm getting confused. First everyone talked about different LE's for the SLE...did it. Got a 2 wrap instead of 3 wrap by accident...but still love it. (I'll get the 3 wrap soon) NOW....I hear so much talk about the vented vs non-vented. What kind of wind do you need to justify the vented. Those of you in the NW....do we have that type of wind? What is the difference going to be when comparing say, a standard with 2 wrap LE to a vented with 2 wrap LE in the same, moderate winds? I've flown mine now in some pretty hefty wind with the new LE and it seemed to work OK.....I was a little worried once that the wind was too strong...but everything went just fine. I want to work on slides, stopping anywhere anytime, etc. Any info would be appreciated..... Do I need to just suck it up and try to buy matching B series standard and vented kites......then I would have 2, 3, and 4 wrap and the SLE? I want to grow and become one with my kite.... :confused!: Thanks... P In the NW, Occasionally, the wind is high enough inland to really need a vented, but as you move towards the coast, that increases, until you get to the shore, then you occasionally need std. If you want to get a vented, get the B-series, because then you have a light frame you can use on it to lower the wind range by quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKITCH Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Thanks guys....all good stuff. John, why do you prefer going with the double Leading edge 3 & 4 wrap in high winds instead of the SLE? Just curious? Rev should have a catalog that really details these things or a posting at the kite shops to help those that are new at this. When I bought mine I was told that the SLE was "THE REV TO BUY". I bought at a very respected kite shop. Perhaps I should have done a little more research before I bought mine. OR...I could have just walked back across the street...pulled John aside, I also met him for the 1st time that day(I don't expect you to remember JB), and asked him at that moment which kite to buy. DAMN, now that I think about it, I also met BEN from Rev that day and could have asked them BOTH for advice!! Oh to be 9 months younger again...... P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 The SLE is WAY too rigid, pure and simple... Even when it does flex, it SNAPS back too quickly. Using the two 1/4" leading edges provides the slight flex we need for the kites to maintain their precision and flight abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad KiT Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Since we are on the kitelife forum here can someone explain why REVs are sold standard with the SLE if one of REVs greatest selling points is the total precision, yet the SLEs are not what the masters of precision fly? It just seems like a conflict of interest with marketing if their sponsored fliers fly 1/4 rods but all they sell standard is the SLE. When was the last time you flew with an SLE John? Would you EVER recommend them? Based on my analysis of what you think of the SLE I want to send them back to the factory and get all 1/4 rods, I got a crap load of SLEs just sitting here... anybody who likes SLE want to purchase them? Maybe the SLE is better for the beginner? Maybe it just teaches you bad habits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDenny Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Since we are on the kitelife forum here can someone explain why REVs are sold standard with the SLE if one of REVs greatest selling points is the total precision, yet the SLEs are what the masters of precision fly?It just seems like a conflict of interest with marketing if their sponsored fliers fly 1/4 rods but all they sell standard is the SLE. When was the last time you flew with an SLE John? Would you EVER recommend them? Based on my analysis of what you think of the SLE I want to send them back to the factory and get all 1/4 rods, I got a crap load of SLEs just sitting here... anybody who likes SLE want to purchase them? Maybe the SLE is better for the beginner? Maybe it just teaches you bad habits? I am with you Quad Kit. I have 3 sets of SLEs we can put in the pile of 'what do we do with these'. After reading the forum I went out and got all the ¼” wraps and cannot believe the difference plus you get to pick the wrap for the wind. I feel like I have rediscovered my Revs. I can't see ever using any of the SLEs again. MMmmmm I wonder what they would be good for? I bet by the end of the year they sell the 1.5 without the SLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad KiT Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 The kite is stamped with the SLE marker... It is a huge marketing idea from someone. Send em all back in and make canes or clubs out of them Or even broom sticks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant man Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 i do wonder why sle is on both the ul and std.. come to thinkof it i never looked to dee if its on my vented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 heh. Well, lets be fair. When the SLE came out in the late 90s, it was met with MUCH enthusiasm (for the most part) by the Rev flying community, and has been a standard issue rod since then. With the exception of the EXP, the 1/4 inch rods have only recently become the "preferred" rod once again. I spent many years flying on them till "someone" prodded me away from them once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad KiT Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Actually I think John has already answered my question with the B series... 1/4 rods always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I'm 100% for 1/4" rods... Our SLEs stay in a junk pile, used only for corporal punishment among team members. Every skilled pilot I've ever spoken to who has spent a solid amount of time on both eventually bags the SLE spars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDenny Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I'm 100% for 1/4" rods... Our SLEs stay in a junk pile, used only for corporal punishment among team members.Every skilled pilot I've ever spoken to who has spent a solid amount of time on both eventually bags the SLE spars. John, Do you think Rev (the company) will change? Denny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 A product line changes to reflect the needs of the consumer over time... It's only natural. If people don't buy the SLE, it will be discontinued, or made an option, I'm sure. All the recent changes you've seen in the Rev products (no mylar, etc) have come from flier input... The SLE is no different. To be fair, there are a few people who like the SLE spars... So, I'm sure they'll always be available, if not standard in the kites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant man Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 well i can say that i have used the sle spars on my vented when the winds here are howlin at 20 to 25 but for the most part i use the 1/4 rods for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDenny Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 A product line changes to reflect the needs of the consumer over time... It's only natural.If people don't buy the SLE, it will be discontinued, or made an option, I'm sure. All the recent changes you've seen in the Rev products (no mylar, etc) have come from flier input... The SLE is no different. To be fair, there are a few people who like the SLE spars... So, I'm sure they'll always be available, if not standard in the kites. They are available all right. I have 3 for sale. Don't get me wrong, Rev has alway made the best available product and I have loved my 1.5s (4) with the SLE. Make an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad KiT Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 hmmm what sails do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDenny Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 hmmm what sails do you have? No, no, no. My Revs are not for sale.. Shucks man I am still in the buy mode. Just saying I have no use for the SLEs any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad KiT Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 misunderstood your post, thought you said "Make me an offer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDenny Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 misunderstood your post, thought you said "Make me an offer" Just the leading edges my friend. Love my revs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 When you said make me an offer I thought, here is an oppertunity. Then in the next second I thought, no, I am sure it will be just the Leading Edges. Nice to be right sometimes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Watson Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 That's what I was thinking too. I was just about to bid!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKITCH Posted June 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I'm so happy with myself....I went out to fly yesterday and discoverd a use for the SLE spars!!!!!!! Being as new as I am to this........ I forgot my kite stake!!!! Worked perfectly and how could you lose it? Just tie a little red flag to the end like when you are hauling an oversized load in your truck!!!! P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerochic Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 The SLE is WAY too rigid, pure and simple... Even when it does flex, it SNAPS back too quickly.Using the two 1/4" leading edges provides the slight flex we need for the kites to maintain their precision and flight abilities. When people refer to the 1/4" rods, are we talking about 2 wrap, 3 wrap, or 4 wrap??? Are those 3 ALL 1/4" rods? I find this a bit confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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