Stephen Hoath Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I used to think that flying kites indoors was a little bit like hard work :confused!: So, I put my mind and experience to the task and designed a new kites the Bai Se Hu Die (Mandarin for White Butterfly). See other link on this forum http://kitelife.com/forum/index.php?showto...amp;#entry14006 I took this kite to the local sports hall and within seconds was flying it with ease. The kite allows you to stand in one play and fly the kite at will just by the power of your arm movements. I was supposed to be playing badminton at the time and one of the other players had a go with the kite as well. He had never flown a kite in his life (let alone indoors) and was able to control the kite within minutes (you should have seen the grin on his face). However, I am not an expert indoor flier and wanted to know from the experts, is this ease and style of flight unique and what are the Holly Grails of indoor kite flying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny Lingenfelter Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Very cute. There shoud be a market for it with the right marketing. People always think you have to walk to fly indoors. Usually they mean dual or quad line. You can fly single line kites inside w/ little or no body movements or off of a stick to make it even easier. A Rev indoor can be flown with almost no body movement, but it takes practice. Sometimes people tell me we don't have enough room for you to fly. The think is we are using the floor space and air space as much as possible for effect more then necessity. Good luck with it. Enjoy! BB Penny I used to think that flying kites indoors was a little bit like hard work :confused!: So, I put my mind and experience to the task and designed a new kites the Bai Se Hu Die (Mandarin for White Butterfly). See other link on this forum http://kitelife.com/forum/index.php?showto...amp;#entry14006 I took this kite to the local sports hall and within seconds was flying it with ease. The kite allows you to stand in one play and fly the kite at will just by the power of your arm movements. I was supposed to be playing badminton at the time and one of the other players had a go with the kite as well. He had never flown a kite in his life (let alone indoors) and was able to control the kite within minutes (you should have seen the grin on his face). However, I am not an expert indoor flier and wanted to know from the experts, is this ease and style of flight unique and what are the Holly Grails of indoor kite flying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant man Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 i got these minergy 333 kites that pretty much need nothing to fly but a simple arm or wrise movement .. not to forget thet these can be flown anywhere when attched to 6 foot lines pictured here are the 2 kites and the handles use to fly them you can fly them both at once and i have even flown them in my kitchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bram Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 My Synchro requiers a minimal amount of walking. However i do have an indoor glider that i can fly without walking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant man Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 no walking with the 333 kites at all just a slow arm movements and some wrist work to make the kite spin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Barresi and I managed to grab a pair of these and WOW, what a pile of fun they are, nice work Stephen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Hoath Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Barresi and I managed to grab a pair of these and WOW, what a pile of fun they are, nice work Stephen! Dave, thanks for the kind words. Did you get to fly them indoors or out? I know you guys are pretty slick at indoor revs so are probably better placed to compare performance than me (I seldom fly indoors except hotel foyers!) I would be interested to know what you liked best and what you would change given the opportunity. Later dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdilucca Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Barresi and I managed to grab a pair of these and WOW, what a pile of fun they are, nice work Stephen! I also managed to get one signed by Pedro and Estevan, I love it already! Hey we should do the Bai team!! Cheers Mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Hoath Posted August 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Barresi and I managed to grab a pair of these and WOW, what a pile of fun they are, nice work Stephen! I also managed to get one signed by Pedro and Estevan, I love it already! Hey we should do the Bai team!! Cheers Mario Just a Health & Safety warning. I flew so much this weekend that I can hardly move my right shoulder now and there's absolutely no sympathy from the wife either! Please let me know if you discover any new moves. And welcome to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Barresi and I managed to grab a pair of these and WOW, what a pile of fun they are, nice work Stephen! Dave, thanks for the kind words. Did you get to fly them indoors or out? I know you guys are pretty slick at indoor revs so are probably better placed to compare performance than me (I seldom fly indoors except hotel foyers!) I would be interested to know what you liked best and what you would change given the opportunity. Later dude We managed to fly them both indoors and outdoors during the week, and they were just as much fun in either setting. Heck, I even used mine in my indoor comp. I'm going to test my backyard this afternoon, I think its got enough room to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Very cool kite Stephen! Great packaging, SO simple to assemble and fly... Never mind the fact it's beautiful to look at! I found the Bai is not as floaty as the cellophane fighter/floater I've been using in my routines up until now (yes - a little more activity in the shoulder and arm), but the controllability, slack line and 3D potential is phenomenal. Pedro and Esteban did a great job of getting it out into everyone's hands... Can't wait to get out and play with it more myself, will tell you what I find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 What kind of line do you recommend for the Bai? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Hoath Posted August 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 What kind of line do you recommend for the Bai? The kind of line depends. The most important is to have a braided line, not a twisted line. Although the tow points allows for a lot of the twists to come out if you habitually turn in one direction you will eventualy have a problem. 50lb spectra is great as there is no stretch and so you get instant control (just like a sport kite). However, most of the time I use some light bidle line. If you want to push the upper wind range of the kite, use a heavier line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Cool, I'll try and come up with some... All I have now is a heavier, twisted line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny Lingenfelter Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Please refresh my memory. What is the upper wind range? BB Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Hoath Posted August 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Please refresh my memory. What is the upper wind range? BB Penny Hi Penny, the upper wind range is a good question. By adding 5meter long tails the kite will fly up to 30mph However, just because you can doesn't mean you should! This kite was designed so I could fly kites until my Revs flew well and for the ends of the day when I wanted something easy to fly and assemble but that was interactive. The kite is well suited for winds up to about 10mph but about half that is optimal. We are really just starting to understand the extremes of performance. The kite flies in the stronger winds but due to it's very light weight it is very fast. The kite is also influenced by turbulent winds which of course are more common at the upper end. Having said that, I have made a double sized version 2 meter wingspan that flies really well as a static kite. The flex in the rods allows it to fly in very strong winds. The only issue is stability (I designed the kite to be unstable!) but this is resolved by using long tails. I hope this helps? Did you get a chance to fly one in Washington? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I still haven't spent much time on the "flippy" features of this kite, but sitting here in my home office, I was moved to go fly in the parking lot for a few minutes. How fun! It's nice to have something I can fly right outside, and do more than "pull it around"... A good little break, and better with MP3's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant man Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 john i feel ya there .. i dont have a bai but i do love playin with my 333 kites in my back yard .. one in each hand is a true blast ... im wondering if these bai kites are going into full production because i wiuld like to get one in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Hoath Posted August 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 john i feel ya there .. i dont have a bai but i do love playin with my 333 kites in my back yard .. one in each hand is a true blast ... im wondering if these bai kites are going into full production because i wiuld like to get one in the future Full production will start as soon as Pedro gets back from the US. In the first isntance we were trying to gauge the potential demand before we made hundreds of kites As with all things the initial demand is the highest and as we clear through the first orders we will be able to supply new orders more speedily. For now, send me a PM with your details/questions etc and I will get onto it. @ John, aggresive flying gives different moves to a more gentle style, either way watch out for RKI (repetitive kiting injury) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I have a roll of waxed fighter kite line, that should probably work well eh? If I can't find that roll, I'm sure John has some to go with his massive collection of fighter kites that I can nick from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdilucca Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hey Bai fliers, I've been flying my Bai using a 32 or 33 in spar and feeding a line inside it and it is really awesome...Bai fishing like Cheers Mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Hoath Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hey Bai fliers, I've been flying my Bai using a 32 or 33 in spar and feeding a line inside it and it is really awesome...Bai fishing like Cheers Mario When we were making the prototypes we made a half size one that you could fly from your couch using a spar. It's great fun and lets you do a whole range of other tricks. Keep me updated as to how you get on with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdilucca Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hey Bai fliers, I've been flying my Bai using a 32 or 33 in spar and feeding a line inside it and it is really awesome...Bai fishing like Cheers Mario When we were making the prototypes we made a half size one that you could fly from your couch using a spar. It's great fun and lets you do a whole range of other tricks. Keep me updated as to how you get on with that. Hey Stephen, try it with the standard Bai and let me know what you think... Cheers Mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wen Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I used to think that flying kites indoors was a little bit like hard work :confused!: So, I put my mind and experience to the task and designed a new kites Dude, hard work=running, running= exercise, exercise=the best excuse for flying all the time just kidding. btw any update on the black "Bai"or is it the the "hei"(mandarin for black) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choccy Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hello, I can't wait to fly the Bai properly This "true blue" little beauty sure will be travelling with us alot, thanks to its light weight compact style I'm grateful to learn something new every day. Keep inspiring.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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