John Barresi Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 We are still very much the rookies, but wanted to know how the 'Diamond' frame differs from the others, particularly the black race frame? I haven't weighed them, but Diamond spars feels quite a bit lighter than black Race rods... Diamonds are my go-to choice for 0-3 mph now. However, they are also much more fragile - have actually blown out a vertical just "whumping" in 3 mph, and have found they bend oddly (leading edge) in anything over 4 mph or so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Interesting!!! Haven't had them out in that much wind yet, most of it has been 2-3 mph swirly, gusty, crappy! But they do glide well!! I'm using 2 wraps for verts, as I only have an LE worth of rods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkieRob Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Diamond frame is 60 grams. 2 wrap frame is 80 grams. Well, the sets I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amexpmh Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Black race are very close to 2 wrap in weight. Diamonds give you the stiffness and lighter weight. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northwavesailor Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 If John is 'blowing out' a vertical, then at this point in our Rev learning curve, we are not ready for another light weight and $$$ frame option. We need to get used to using the 3 wrap (mid vent) and Race frame (standard) and feel what works (or doesn't) for us! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 For the n00bs... While black Race and 2-wrap may be roughly comparable in weight, the 2-wraps are much more flexible. I tend to avoid over-flexible spars because as the kite flexes, the airfoil changes... I want that change in airfoil to be held within a certain range. To add more insight... Let's say my hands are in a position for forward flight, same handle position on two different frames: Stiff frame = less forward, more sail pressure Flexible frame - more forward, more spill of pressure On a more flexible frame, one handle position yields different response from the kite as it loads and unloads pressure. On a frame that is too stiff, the sail never "billows" and loads up with the belly pressure that makes it fly so well. Again, I'm always looking for a median range of flex that gives me enough flexibility to load up, but not so much that my airfoil is changing radically throughout the window. Food for thought from the mind of one flier. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 If John is 'blowing out' a vertical, then at this point in our Rev learning curve, we are not ready for another light weight and $$$ frame option. We need to get used to using the 3 wrap (mid vent) and Race frame (standard) and feel what works (or doesn't) for us! Thanks! Disclaimer here... I "WHUMP" really hard, not the sort of input your average flier uses - wouldn't so much worry about this aspect. Main concerns are flying a frame beyond it's wind range, or excessive (uncontrolled) ground contact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reef Runner Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 "WHUMP" easier ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevRookie Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Whump Gently- isn't that a contradiction in terms? Could be a song though (to fly to): Whump me gently Whump me slowly Take it easy Don't you know I've never been flown like this before! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I can dance to that tune! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmadz Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Whump me gently Whump me slowly Sounds like something you pay for in Vegas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevRookie Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 You guys are too young! Andy Kim 1974 Everyone was singing it and doing it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Whump me gently Whump me slowly Sounds like something you pay for in Vegas. I never pay for whump... Heck, I'll whump it myself if it comes to that. Kites, kites, KITES. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 ......and I thought this was a family-friendly forum....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barresi Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reef Runner Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think your fonts go past 48 !! Hmmmmm ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmadz Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 You guys are too young! Andy Kim 1974 Everyone was singing it and doing it! I thought Andy Kim was just making it up to Calgary now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reef Runner Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 You guys are too young! Andy Kim 1974 Everyone was singing it and doing it! Too young - NOT. My kind of music - YOU BETCHU. Thanks for reminding me of that "oldie but goodie" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skline Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I tried diamond spars for the first time today in a 1.5 SUL and they did really well in very low winds. I tried them also in a B-Pro Standard, but the SUL was more reactive. It surprised me how much wind they will take, up high was 5 plus and they felt great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I had converted my SUL into a street kite and put some diamond rods in the LE! I had been using 2 wraps in it, but I too, really liked the response of the diamonds!! The rods were traded with a friend of mine that had broken both verticals at once, flying in way too much wind! Unfortunately they were from the original run of diamonds, and one snapped up near where the ferrule ended, not at the end! I wasn't flying in too strong conditions and the break was in an odd area! But they did have some problems with layup on the first run rods! Confirmed with Ben D.! Overall, I liked them in light wind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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