kwmf Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Based on the attached screenshot I guess the B-series didn't go away - it just got renamed, had springs added and a NYM leading edge put on.. Seeing as how you can get this without the springs (according to stated info) I guess if you just change a leading edge then it's a different kite. I'm sure that is fantastic news / precedent to certain questionable factories (and private builders) out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul LaMasters Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 despite the politics,...... the new Classic 1.5 Reflex is an excellent kite, worthy of your attention, funds and time applied to mastery of it's flight dynamics. How many of us HATED the indoor when it came out? How many of us REFUSED to fly that little 1.5 format (trying to creat a better following than the original Rev One had)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Paul - are they using the thicker rods? You using the Reflex system? If so - flown it with standard rods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwmf Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 @Wayne Dowler As far as I know it comes with the reflex rods, but can take the standard rods (without springs) which basically makes it a B-series wing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 With that panel layout, they can make the 3 models from it no problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwmf Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Well according to the screenshot I attached .... it IS the B-series - they used the same web page but just changed the name. Have a look at the red sections that have been marked out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Saw that - pretty lazy on their part to just steal the same info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwmf Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Well, with the exception of the rods and the folded ends on the leading edge (probably the NYM one) it's still the same kite so there's no need have any new info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwmf Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 But don't call it a B-series ... they don't make those anymore It's the not-a-B-series 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Not liking the "inny" connector they use. If you have any wear on your rod, then wouldn't that end arrangement make it worse? I liked the cap over end style better myself! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 4 hours ago, kwmf said: But don't call it a B-series ... they don't make those anymore It's the not-a-B-series There are several names for it.. B-Flex B-Cause they can B-Tray,, The company that's shouted the loudest about copies to avoid paying the originators is now guilty of copying themselves, too and for the same reason. How sad... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, riffclown said: There are several names for it.. B-Flex B-Cause they can B-Tray,, The company that's shouted the loudest about copies to avoid paying the originators is now guilty of copying themselves, too and for the same reason. How sad... So, they are guilty of copying themselves? I don't get it. Didn't Revolution Kites make the B-Series? I thought the B-Pros were a modified and improved B-Series made for the "pro" market by someone licensed by Revolution Kites to manufacture them. Did the designer(s) of the B-Series license Revolution Kites to produce their patented version of the kite? I don't know for sure what the arrangement among the parties was, but if someone actually said, "hey, this is the way it was", it would sure be a lot easier to understand who owes what to whom. And, actually, "B-Flex" is rather catchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I've talked about my handle setup quite a bit, and now, I've finally gotten around to taking photos and posting them. I use extensions that attach to the handles and loop the leaders to the extensions. The extra length gives me something to grab that won't cut my hand or fingers when doing catch and throw. This is one of the earlier versions; the newer ones have extensions about three times as long, and the leaders have 3 or 4 more knots for use with other quads, mostly home-made, that require different settings than a Rev, bringing the maximum usable differential to about 9.5 inches. These are 13-inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 The B stood for Barresi signature Series.. They took his name off and kept everything else.. I was under the impression is was his panel layout.. @John Barresi is probably the only one who knows for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, riffclown said: The B stood for Barresi signature Series.. They took his name off and kept everything else.. I was under the impression is was his panel layout.. @John Barresi is probably the only one who knows for sure. The "Barresi" panel layout is John's(?) design in collaboration with Bazzer Poulter and other members of i-Quad? I would really like to know who to blame its true origins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 On 7/13/2009 at 6:57 PM, John Barresi said: Designed by John Barresi, based on Joe Hadzicki's original 1.5 design. Per the Revolution web site: Available in standard, mid-vent and vented sails. MFR page - http://www.revkites..../Barresi_Series 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Per the Revolution Website of old.. Quote Based on the original Rev 1.5 design, the John Barresi Signature Series is the ideal choice for any hard core precision or competition flier... After 17 years of competition and nine national quad line championships, John has utilized a number of modifications and features which make this a true high performance package. The sail is paneled with two specific goals in mind... 1. The grey panels are replaced with screen for the vented model, keeping your vented and standard kites aesthetically similar. 2. As the standard sail stretches over time, the grey panels will actually begin to channel wind vertically, increasing precision. To keep you competitive, the B-Series comes with two frames... One 2-wrap (SUL) and one 3-wrap (UL), giving you the versatility of being able to switch your frames based on the current wind, and you can also slide your SUL leading edge rods in parallel with the UL leading edge when the wind is up, effectively doubling your leading edge strength. The B-Series handles are 13" long, and come with a pre-tied adjustment knot system which enables you to increase or decrease the reverse control. Last but not least, the B-Series also comes with a weight kit... Two 2 gram lead weights fit neatly into the end of your spars, and are secured with a short tail. Wind Range: 3-10 mph (2 wrap frame) 4-16 mph (3 wrap frame) 6-20 mph (3 wrap frame w/2 wrap LE added) Wing Span: 91" Frame(s): 2-wrap 1/4" and 3-wrap 1/4" spars Styx tried to write Dennis DeYoung out of their history too.. Without him, they are just a cover band.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wayne Dowler Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 If I remember some of the really old videos - iQuad used SLEs in their early days. Even before the "B" made its appearance on the beach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwmf Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 http://kitelife.com/kl-archive/reviews/review-quad-line/issue-52-review-of-b-series-by-revolution-kites/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul LaMasters Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 the reflex 1.5 and their newest "classic" model come with 1/4 inch Green Race rods Almost everybody got paid for their past contributions, some in coin, some in kite and linesets, some in recognition Bazzer and Freidlein latest efforts also remarkably resemble the B-series panel layout. Surely that surprises none of us. We saw knocked-off Shook Mesh kites at SPI too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwmf Posted February 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 17 hours ago, Paul LaMasters said: Bazzer and Freidlein latest efforts also remarkably resemble the B-series panel layout. Surely that surprises none of us. No wonder I never took art - I clearly cannot tell that varied quadrilaterals and triangles are the same as an (almost) square grid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.V. Nguyen Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 There are several names for it.. B-Flex B-Cause they can B-Tray,, The company that's shouted the loudest about copies to avoid paying the originators is now guilty of copying themselves, too and for the same reason. How sad... B-TraySent from my iPhone using KiteLife mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.V. Nguyen Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Based on the attached screenshot I guess the B-series didn't go away - it just got renamed, had springs added and a NYM leading edge put on.. Seeing as how you can get this without the springs (according to stated info) I guess if you just change a leading edge then it's a different kite. I'm sure that is fantastic news / precedent to certain questionable factories (and private builders) out there. Pretty snazzy to fill in the void the B-Series left with a B-Series clone. Sent from my iPhone using KiteLife mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwmf Posted February 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 On February 8, 2017 at 4:07 AM, P.V. Nguyen said: Pretty snazzy to fill in the void the B-Series left with a B-Series clone. No, no .... have a look at https://goo.gl/photos/SWALm7r8msfQg9NL8 They clearly point to the logo showing it's not a B-series - It's a Reflex 1.5 classic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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