Turtling 🐢

[Gladders]

I was flying yesterday in winds of naybec12mph. I really struggled to get my kite to turtle - it made it half way there then righted and just carried on. I was flying directly upwards in the middle of the window.

So,  my question is,  is it the distance of the throw forward,  the speed of the throw forward,  or both?  

 

[John Barresi]

Both, also how high the kite is in the window - the higher it is, the easier it gets to throw it into a turtle.

[ACrop]

Oh boy! A new term I don't know and have yet to be able to imagine what it could possibly refer to! Awesome! Ah, what is turtling??


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[esinger]

April,
Putting a kite into a turtle is a dual line trick when the kite is on it's back.

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[Paul LaMasters]

the Spirit quad also does this move pretty easily too, .....you can "ride it" all the way to the ground, or snap back out of it, like exiting a flick-flak

[esinger]

I've seen quads do fades, but not turtles

 

 

 

 

[ACrop]

Thanks, I figured it what a dual line term. I sat and tried to imagine what it could refer to for kites and kept seeing the ALS sign for turtle in my head that was not helping. It IS my favorite sign language word (of myaybe 10 word vocabulary

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[midibot]

17 minutes ago, ACrop said:

Thanks, I figured it what a dual line term. I sat and tried to imagine what it could refer to for kites and kept seeing the ALS sign for turtle in my head that was not helping. It IS my favorite sign language word (of myaybe 10 word vocabulary

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The turtle (or backflip) for dualies results in nose away from the flyer. (The fade is nose towards btw.)

Roy Reed’s kite move animations are a wealth of information. Here’s the link to the turtle (or backflip): 

https://reeddesign.co.uk/kites/tricks/turtle.html

…and the fade (there are a number of ways to get there, and here is one): 

https://reeddesign.co.uk/kites/tricks/fade.html

The American Sign Language sign for turtle IS cute. Especially moving the thumb! 

http://lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-signs/t/turtle.htm

[ACrop]

Thanks for the links! I will enjoy them while trying to pretend that I am not off track for my to-do list today.

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[Breezin]

Before kiting I've hunted turtles for soup. It's also called turtling. Turtling a kite is much, much more pleasant and enjoyable. The big snapping turtles are down right dangerous. Not kidding at all!! The only kite I got that I can turtle consistently center window in 15+ winds is my Mind Trick vented. I fly across, get to center, snap stall ,throw both hands forward while stepping forward.Happens fast and hesitation in my next moves results most times in failure. It helps that that kite loves to turtle. Even so it's hard to hold the turtle in high winds.When winds are 20+ in center window the few moves I can pull off on that kite all start with that move. When successful it's the biggest rush I get flying a kite. Failure is a heart in the throat gasp followed by OH NO don't be broken.Under 12 I can now watch and getting a pretty good grasp on what is happening. Allows me to correct mistakes mid trick at times. Above 15 most stuff is split second timing. The fade in higher winds? Well dude you better be good. Failure points the kite straight down. Few weeks ago was on and feeling cocky. Winds were hitting 20+. Came across 3/4 high in the window. Hit center and banged out 2 flic flacs. The 3rd one I lost and drove the Mind Trick into the ground HARD. Upper and lower spreaders went flying in all directions.Kites hardest hit by far. I was sickened thinking of the damage while going to the kite.NOTHING BROKE!!! Shocked (still shocked)I flew for a bit longer. Confidence was a little rocked to say the least. Winds went higher and I quit for the day. Didn't want to test my luck or courage again LOL. Once you get the turtle the fun increases 10 fold.When first starting winds over 12 would be intimidating. I'd have to buck up and go for it. When winds go over 20 I still need to spend some time focusing and gathering myself before I fly. Sometimes I can't and don't fly.I think in higher wind flying that process won't change for me. No matter how many years I get to do this stuff.In any winds let the nose start tilting forward. Pop launch the kite and go right to the turtle move. It'll start giving you the feel. Leads to some great low and ground based tricks that aren't to hard on your nerves or kite. Great practice when there's not enough wind to keep it in the air. Flapjack that kite!! It's a blast.

[Exult]

9 hours ago, esinger said:

I've seen quads do fades, but not turtles

 

I don’t think it looks like a fade in the video. It looks like it ends on its back with the LE being away from the pilot (i.e. a turtle) after a quick tug on on the bottom lines, I think. See if this will trigger a new “is the dress white or blue”-like discussion ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress ).

[esinger]

@Exult I do agree that the quad version looks more like a turtle than a fade, however that's what people are calling it.

[John Barresi]

Correct, a quad fade is equivalent to a dual line turtle - the Hadzicki style quad has aerodynamic limitations on its back, LE toward the pilot.

[Paul LaMasters]

my quad fades have the leading edge facing/closer towards me, with the lines hanging underneath, a turtle is the opposite (facing away,... w/lines over the trailing edge) whatever they are termed

A rising fade is something I've still gotta' work on some more though, HA!!!!!

[esinger]

Paul, do you have a video of your leading edge forward fades with a quad? I'm having problems visualizing that. I've seen videos of a fulcrum doing that, but not of a Hadzicki wing kite

 

 

 

 

[Paul LaMasters]

no video of me, but the master of this technique is Scott Weider,  

It is entered as a half Axel type of movement (which is a "fade" based upon this discussion, if held in position, with leading edge facing the pilot and the flying lines dangling underneath),...

from there (with more practice) This fade can instantly transition into a "clam-shell roll-up" if done close enough to the ground.

The is video of this but I couldn't find it

[Exult]

Found a video where the turtle type of “fade” was presented quite clearly and besides could be performed indoors. See at 2:20 :

 

[esinger]

I've seen that video about a month ago, it's a really cool quad called the SkyKnife

[Breezin]

Korvo kites builds it. Also some wicked speed kites 😳. Korvo has permission to build Wolsing kites. Biggest duels I've ever seen (videos) for you folks looking for big kites.I don't know if you could call some of those big though. MASSIVE might be the better word. Thanks Esinger the Korvo site is a good read.