I don’t feel comfortable posting offline conversations but will summarize with: Joes summary Rev sails are made by same company in Spain that they have used for years and not cheap China spinoffs as I called them, their rods and hardware are of highest quality along with single sheet printed sails which have been in use for years, eyes were not copyrighted and there are differences in appearance they are not owned by anyone, their (Revs) business plan did not change and Rev is all about exposing new folks to kiting, fun experiences and educating users to Master levels with Club 38. Mikes unanswered or no comment to questions were related to: So few or no more pro or Master level Revolution branded kites, communication to end users regarding discontinuing products which produced outcomes where some kite makers and end users have decided to leave them versus continue with company direction in entry level successes and poor customer service experiences. I’m hoping some time in the future they jump back into a innovator position but for now they do offer a great starter setup. Oh, I will be posting a few quads for sale soon. They will be great additions to your bag, be watching out for them! Love quad flying [emoji3][emoji173]️