riffclown Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 So started laying out a new mesh pattern today.. Not exactly sure how I'm going to use it. Will definitely be another quad but haven't decided on the sail or hole sizing yet. The panel should be big enough to make just about any "standard" size.. Will post more once I decide how I'm using it.. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 I like it. Very nice, subtle color play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daougie Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Looks great. Can't wait to see the finished product. Sent from my SM-G920W8 using KiteLife mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Flatwork is done. I just need to pull some loose threads and clean up and finish.reinforce the edging... Flatwork took about 4 hours of sewing.. dimensions of the sail tells me this venture is going to be a 1.5 size. I already have the extra framing to make this easier.. Next is a LE (thinking blue or green) with Mesh and reinforcements for the corners..I don't have screen handy so won't finish this today even though that was my original thought.. This pic shows one side. An exact mirror is on the other side of the back.. Sail will be symmetrical I changed the strip layout slightly so one diagonal-(ish) cut will give me the finished front out of both halves.... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Looks to equal about a 20% by my eye. I talked to Elliot once about his originals that had no spaces. His comment - Way Too Heavy! Yours looks to have twice as many strips as a Shook, at least to my eye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 I just play with what looks good to my eye without worrying about anything except for symmetry. I'd agree with 20%-25%. Yes this sail will probably be a touch on the heavy side but for less than $40, I won't complain. Both previous builds used screen from a screen door repair ans the screening so I also like to use whatever I have laying around to get the job done. I also get so say inspired by and not copied from. I refuse to measure anything except the LE width and spar height so I can interchange frames. Eliot checked out my first mesh and gave me a few pointers, This sail will incorporate some of those pointers if possible.. My first sail below even used duct tape as a construction material. Wasn't pretty but is functional and is rock stable in winds that scare everyone else off the dune. My second one which had no spacing was also a touch heavy but still a lot of fun. It's also a bit bigger than a standard 1.5.. I didn't want to cut the spars and had a bunch of the P400 Skyshark spars from a blowout sale.. Easy decision there. FWIW, I'll fly this sail in winds and weather I'd never fly my Shooks in. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Shoot, given the right conditions, bridle it up and I'll fly just about anything.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Elliot donated one of his earliest (#6 in the album) 100% sails to me. Compared it to Paul Dugard's new model - major improvements - wear strips, more curve to the LE, might even have fold strips, not sure. Mine has a dead straight LE, but I made it work a little better by using a race frame in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Eliot has indeed refined his craft over the years. That's one reason I'm a repeat customer. I'm also making stuff that fies out of kite tails, just for the fun of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfish Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 4 hours ago, riffclown said: Next is a LE (thinking blue or green) with Mesh and reinforcements for the corners..I don't have screen handy so won't finish this today even though that was my original thought.. With mesh having 2 meanings - the weave part and the screen part - I initially misunderstood the first sentence. But that got me thinking...with a mesh weave kite that already has holes, is the LE screen really necessary? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 That's a very good point and I've wondered that myself but based my actons on not only Rev but Revalikes using the screening regardless of the venting. I know it is supposed to enhance stability on inverted hovers and reverse flight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Dowler Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 The Freilein's are now using holes where the LE mesh goes. Durability still out on that as they haven't been out long enough to say one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I'll know soon enough.. I have the stack of the old 2016 version. I also have another old version and a new one with the holes on the way. Throw launching a stack isn't easy on the kites by any stretch of the imagination. Will soon try throwing a 6 stack just to do it.. @Paul LaMasters could probably provide some insight. He's flown one quite a bit and he is not easy on kites. He could fly the color off a printed sail.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reef Runner Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Man, you guys are getting D E E P ! But keep it up ! Only good can come out of this ........ Hang in there RC.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I'm a NC native.. I don't have a "Give Up" mode.. There is no quit to me.. Coincidentally, there's also not a lot of quiet to me either. I guess I'm going be riding around to kite festivals and events just showing my tail-s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reef Runner Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Could be worse !! 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 The leading edge mesh is not necessary if the leading edge frame pocket is not very tall, since the openings in the weave that are closest to the pocket will take over the function of not letting air dam up against the leading edge in reverse flight. The other option is to make a belt-loop style leading edge, either l_l_l_l_l_l as the drawing below or inverted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 So the Mockup is done..LE is done.. I need to attach the sail halves together and attach to the LE (used masking tape for the pic..)..Once that's done some bridling and a bit of reinforcement and it should be ready to fly.. Hoping for the end of the month. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 And the kite will match my suit.. Please tell me that didn't actually surprise anyone.. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makatakam Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 8 hours ago, riffclown said: And the kite will match my suit.. Please tell me that didn't actually surprise anyone.. It will need a big red spot in the middle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daougie Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Make one for me too in colours to match my outfit! We could be a team, and the best part is we wouldn't need to practice as any mistakes we make would be considered part of the routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul LaMasters Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 15 hours ago, riffclown said: So the Mockup is done..LE is done.. I need to attach the sail halves together and attach to the LE (used masking tape for the pic..)..Once that's done some bridling and a bit of reinforcement and it should be ready to fly.. Hoping for the end of the month. next time, edge bind the parameter of the sail first and then buy a "pre-made" leading edge sleeve from Eliot (YES they are available and worth every penny, Paul dugard has made a couple of his Vickis with 'em. A laser straight leading edge can be thrown very easily and tracks like the kite rides on railroad tracks, a pronounced curve (2-1/2 to 4 inches) built it will cup and fill the sail with power and make an easy to fly ultra light. These two objective are opposites, a compromise does both pretty decently, experimenting is almost as much fun as having it all dialed it y=to your personal preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 14 hours ago, Paul LaMasters said: next time, edge bind the parameter of the sail first and then buy a "pre-made" leading edge sleeve from Eliot (YES they are available and worth every penny, Paul dugard has made a couple of his Vickis with 'em. A laser straight leading edge can be thrown very easily and tracks like the kite rides on railroad tracks, a pronounced curve (2-1/2 to 4 inches) built it will cup and fill the sail with power and make an easy to fly ultra light. These two objective are opposites, a compromise does both pretty decently, experimenting is almost as much fun as having it all dialed it y=to your personal preference. I appreciate the suggestion and I agree Eliot does top notch work.. For this build though, I prefer to fabricate it myself as much as possible.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul LaMasters Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 going to edge bind before flight test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffclown Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I redid my LE because my construction was so heavy. I tried putting the Tabs a support on the inside of the sleeve but had to extend the screen all the way around to keep it from binding or consider adding a second layer inside.. I've got it all done now except the spar caps / bungies & bridles. Will redo the reinforcement tabs externally once I measure everything out once more.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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