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Just discovered the FB login function was also a bit wonky, should be working now. 🙏

go to Reed Design kites < https://reeddesign.co.uk/kites/iskcb/mi17.html > and look up these various animations of the precision figures for competition. Doesn't matter if you want to do that, only that you can have something specific to work on. This is a favorite of mine the "Octogon", a stop sign outlined in reverse flight. You'll need Flash/by Adobe to view 'em and it is so worth your effort to make this happen! Imagine how SLOW you can do them, how precisely, imagine how they can blended, transitioning from one to another. How you could/should select components of each/of some favorites and add them together, into you own routine, suitable for a demonstration. Also, ALWAYS fly to music and relax too, let the kite do all the work,... if it doesn't do that (in today's conditions) you have another kite to acquire!

I have gotten a chance to fly my EXP a couple of times in really light inconsistent winds. I think I can get it down, but its a lot different from the other kites I have flown. Im starting to understand how to do a turn. Gotta watch all the tutorial videos again. Right now I am just focusing on landing and taking off. Pretty fun stuff! Bring on the warm weather!

I've been useing a brother xr 1300, following pfaff 1222's on ebay. Are there any other machines in should be looking for? Looking for heavy duty with a walking foot. All and any old pfaff's, Japanese built Kenmore, whites, singer heavy duty44__ series?

This forum has been pretty slow lately. Hopefully people have been building things this winter. At Riff`s request I'll post up a design build. I built a roll up bag a while back, as a first reintroduction to sewing. It was crude, but kept me and my kites mobile while flying. After a dog pissed in my Dlk bag that was laying on the ground. I decided this was essential. Built the first bag out of X-Pac fabric from the local store that sells used sporting goods and offers resoleing and sewing repairs. They also have an impressive selection of fabric and notions. Bought , built and sold a few kites and decided it was time for a new bag. This should hold 5-8 Rev's and be seriously over built. Heavy on seatbelt! These pics are of the first bag.

Hi folks, I have three Zens or used to own 'em anyway. They are ALL a ragged mess and I want a new one. Don't need the bridle or the frame but I'm willing to work something out.If an exchange interests you instead of my bride's cash, ..... my offering is a 100% Shook Mesh Masterpiece Quad-lined kite in R/W/B with 16" magic sticks and a French bridle, 3wraps it's the one facing 2o'clock Thank you very much for your consideration too!-plm

FYI, map is back up and running.

Chat bar restored, might need to pop it back out with the little arrow button at far bottom right. FYI @riffclown ✌️

After much thought and input.... Sent from my SM-T380 using Tapatalk

I'm set now, thank you ALL for your interest in my offering too!-plm

Makes me very very angry.. Playing around with some of the scraps.

Keep us posted on your progress. ask a lot of questions! There are a lot of beginner level videos on this site that are really helpful. I am not an expert by any means... I will say the first thing that helped me A LOT is lengthening the top leaders if you are getting the Revolution stock leaders. The best $6 bucks I have spent, got them off this site. Good luck and have fun

Oh yeah! My boy has been eyeing off mine. This would be a great addition!!!! Sent from my SM-G950F using KiteLife mobile app

Looks snazzy. The black plus grid looks professional and business-like, if you go for that sort of thing. So four wide large kite pockets, one narrower, and three small. How will you handle having *only* 5-8 kites with you? 😉

Didn't have lines or handles in it, but turned out nice.

Finally finished this today. Added another buckle and webbing across the top.

It’s all your fault😅

And then you met me !

If you want to see some dog stake flying.

Is it a reflex? Probably 65 foot lines which are a bit harder to learn on, IE... handle input gets to kite faster...compared to longer lines. Slow, small, inputs.

Another tip - NEVER have someone else wind up your lines!! They are a mess? You are to blame! Not the wife, kids, or guy you just met on the field!! YOU!! Here's a bit of a chuckle for those reading and know the pain: I used to wind my lines on a single winder, but as separate pairs. I would larkshead the left pair together, then straight wind them on, Go back to the kite and larkshead the right pair and figure 8 those over the others. 2 trips. One day, I'm at a clinic of John's and it's time to pack up. So I start my routine of two lines and look over to see John. There's just the hint of a smile creeping into his face as he sees me doing my thing. I yell out - " I know this works!" to him. He looks at me and says - "But I know this works too!" Anyway we all pack up. So the next time I'm alone, I decide to test his method. I had some 50' lines and figured - if they get in a mess, it's only 50', not 120's, so let's try this. So I tried and it worked! Next time I tried it on 80' - it worked again! Finally I used it on 120's - yes!! Now I have some very minor differences that are my own, but all the basics are still in use! I prefer to use 2 stakes. After hooking up lines to handles, I separate the handles by a couple feet. Then I unwind to the kite end. If you have wound them before, there should be 2 pairs. Take a pair in each hand and spread your hands apart. All the wraps you saw unwinding, should fall out. If you are like me and my color code, you can trade hands around to end.up with the sets completely separated, using a little pressure on them. Hook up your kite and ready to go with just a twist in a pair or so - no biggie. Another way is to stick a finger between the pairs as you unwind. If they haven't passed through each other, you should be able to end up with pairs again. No matter what method you end up using - IF IT WORKS and you're comfortable with it - DO IT THE SAME WAY - EVERY TIME! Make it habit. The less you mess with the process, the better off!

Agree with Wayne! Watch it and remember the steps and follow it religiously. Couple times I almost gave up on quad line kites because of the time spent on untangling my lines. Practice Johns technique and have fun. Sent from my iPhone using KiteLife mobile app

Watch John's line management tutorial til you're sick of it - then watch it some more!!! That will save you so much aggravation - guaranteed! Carry a Sharpie if need be, to mark the lower lines. I myself use a 4 color code to separate the top/ bottom, left/right sets I had a stroke years ago, it keeps me sorted out. But I use John's system and it is tried and true - it works, trust it!

That's a LONG drive to try out the kites. Even so ... Potentially well worth it, although closer events will be easier on the pocket book. Even if you've got your inexpensive beginner kite, a day working with some experienced or professional folks will simplify the discovery. You can still learn on your own. People do it. I first learned to fly dual line as a kid in a field by myself in the pre-Internet era, with some old kite magazine descriptions and the dream that maybe someday I would see a kite festival. Decades later I learned to fly quad line watching hours and hours of videos and asking questions. It is possible. Even though you can probably do it alone, it is so much easier having someone who can observe and give corrections instantly, or who can demonstrate as you repeat and copy the motions.

Another option could be a Three Winds Quad from The Kite Shoppe. Pretty sure they are about $200 and you can customize the colors using Kite Paint. We see several of these flying up here in the Pacific NW. Sent from my iPhone using KiteLife mobile app

This seems the more important part. Make contact with someone in your area and try their stuff. Where are you located? Many people have a wide range of kites and are willing to let you try their kites. Flying with other people's kites and equipment gets you some close attention as you learn (since they don't want you to crash their kites), and lets you quickly experience a range of gear. Also, the price is $0 to try many different varieties. Other people's kites are the best deal out there when first learning. This is universally true. Quality kites are expensive, and for the most part you get what you pay for. The Freilein Vertigo models, and the Rev EXP models, they're both made from heavier/cheaper fabrics than their more expensive brethren. The Revolution EXP is the low-end model and about $200 for the ready to fly kit that includes the kite sail and frame, plus shorter-than-normal lines and cheap handles. The Vertigo is a similar price for similar quality equipment. You can find those entry level kits on ebay and similar for about $200, very near the original price because they often are nearly unused. Unfortunately, if you get into the hobby seriously, it will only take a small amount of experience to outgrow that cheaper equipment. If you're looking to go even cheaper, there are knock-off kites for closer to $100, but they have significantly heavier fabric, usually have fiberglass rods (instead of carbon fiber) and have very cheap lines. These will be a quad line kite so you can get exposed to the sport, but they are not kites I would want anyone to learn on, nor used to judge the sport. I would discourage those kites. Getting higher grade equipment a "Revolution Classic" is probably the lowest of the good quality quad line kites, and with 120' lines and no-snag handles will cost about $350. The Freinlein Exodus with lines and handles will be about the same price. People who get in to the hobby tend to get comfortable on their first kite, then pick up 2-3 more for a wider range of wind conditions, then branch out over time with additional equipment, different line sets, different handles, etc. The first purchase needs the kite and frame ($200+), the lines (about $75), and handles ($20-$80). Only you can decide how much money to spend on the hobby.

Time for an upgradde? Any "Idiocracy" fans on here? Upgradde!

In response to your quote - I was just on the Prism website - unless something has changed, they are still in production. Might be harder to find, but still made. After reading other threads - that may be out of production. I see on the Kite Shoppe website, that she has one. Slight sail discoloration and discounted $40.00 USD. Don't know about shipping and taxes, maybe the discount makes up for some of it? She is one of this site's sponsors, look under Ultralight Wind Range to see it. http://www.thekiteshoppe.com/

I guess my question is - is there a "hole" in your quiver of kites that you want to fill? Low end? Middle? Personally not really into high winds here. Rather go quad if the winds are up. A low wind Prism would be the Ozone. Flies when most stuff is grounded. Not a "trick monster" and takes a light hand, but flew in winds my friend's Qpro sul didn't handle. But again, not a trick monster. The only other Prism I have really flown was the Alien. Odd little kite with a bent LE. I tend to fly it in slightly higher winds as the design seems to pull less. But again if the winds are up - I grab a vented quad. Both are no longer in production and there seems to be a cult of Prism owners that buy almost anything Prism. So keeping your eye on forums like GWTW is key - and having cash at the ready! I've seen kites posted for sale that go in minutes!!!