Edmond Dragut

JB may give you the best references about this rods. IMO after i try them they are better then Revolution rods. they are lighter and have tinnier wall. This are are new technology rods used by Jon on the Fulcrum kites

a red white 2-4 will be to small for you ?

Congrats Elmo. happy fly

another thing i noticed is the wind....really low .maybe is a low wind kite and over some point is acting how you describe because LE spars are not stiff enough to keep the kite shape

bow tie is overcontrol means that line is to short,move the line couple knots outside and/ore be more gentle. I think at the first thing the kite is making you want to say horizontals,the long "two flexed leading edges".I am right? if i am right look at the video from second 0.07 till 0.33. there are two important aspects: 1 - the two leading edges are not parallels, by flexing them there are upper and lower then the spar from that apparent T connector is 2 - between the two flexed spars is a piece of line right on the middle , i am most then sure that piece is keeping the spars to do not go on OUTSIDE and is longer then the vertical spar what is having the T connectors. If that line is smaller then the vertical spar is normal the leading edge to move in the center and collapse.

in San Francisco area are some good quads flyers, try to meet with them and almost for sure they will figure out how to fly this kite. Bering a quad like some other models Rev handles will work well, equal lines to with proper leaders knots setup will work to but probably you do not have the necessary experience to troubleshot and solve the problem. you are saying "tried to fly it with no success". what actually happen? the kite do not rise and at each pull dragged lower caps to the ground? rise spin and fall? how many knots have the leaders on the handles (top and bottom) ? what lines you used ? wind speed ? with a bit more details about your try maybe somebody will give you a solution and next time on the field you will have success

by what i see in this video are 2 identical bridles on top and the bottom and seams to not be anything to complicated. look to be something comparable to single line bridle to balance each quarter of the sail. I may be wrong but this is what i see base on my experience of single line kites. where are you located Ca Ike ?

i had something new yesterday. sunny with a bit of clouds and a steady 5 wind. prepare to test a super blast 2.4 and suddenly when to take the handles 18 Mph wind. i said "ok, fine" and unpacked the extra-vent. with 2 fits before to get at the steak started to rain. now both kites and lines are on living room to dry so....i am mad on Murphy

I'M IN !!!! great kite Mark.

Fulcrum is not on the market yet but i understand from Jon Trennepohl the price will be around 250-300$

don't worries, this is your beginning

change the lines for the foil, that lines are twisted nylon and are having a lot of stretching (at least 1 inch pet foot) , also if you redo the bridle use braided line to minimize the stretch

nice kites but...brand new are 430$,not even Exodus Max is not going to 540$ from the right "dealer who sell Freilein" sorry for spoiling

that "kite legs twist" is over control on the breaks that mins you are to many knots in on the top lines.i hope you mount the kite correctly and don't put the spars on front of the sail,that will make the kite to launch extremely hard try to start at the third knot up and second on the bottom but before to of that check your lines length, even brand new lines some time are not equals. on winds more then 6 MPH the kite should self lunching just taking some breaks out. find a more experienced flyer to help you with first flights and setups till you will have enough experience by your self. that word "monkey see monkey do" work good on kiting on the beginning.

you answered to your own question on second proposition. low wind means you may let the sail more relaxed or to adjust the tension at to a desired degree. do not compare Silver Fox UL with Quantum. there are two different animals. also Quantum do not have that leech line. you may tide knots at equal distance on both tension lines ore make pigtails with desired knots for faster adjustment

two lines of 50# rarely means 100# by distribution. this is happening just at launch till strait up over the head. any left right movement put the pull on to a single line or some percentage on second one so... be carefully and do not count on the sum of two lines.if you make tricks you must to have the full load on to a single line and add to that initial pull you give to create the movement.that actually add some more to the full pull of the kite.

hello, if you will break the lot i am interested in Rev Super Blast 2.4. Thank you

nobody here recommend you something expensive but the circumstances you described of your area ask for expensive kites. flyers explain you why: materials, frames,lines. what other hobbies you have? if we will know will give you one of the best analogy to kiting. fishing analogy: big hook-big catch also applicable to line strength and rod,no way to catch a minnow. car analogy: a lot of horse power faster 0 to 100 MPH on same time more gas consumption,not a good choice for city commuter. any condition have pro and cons,some on costs some on performance. one for all was not invented yet and how long we will have gravitation, air and water will not be. low wind kites dual,and/or quads ? 4-D, Swift are for dual, Rev Indoor and Zen are for quads. if you just want something to fly is one but if you want something to fly good and nice this are some of the best options.

you may do a compromise, try to buy a Rev 1 from sell section or e-Bay. that will go up to 150-175$ maybe. you will have a kite for 3 to 15 MPH winds but...invest another 95$ in 2 wraps or some 100-150 SkyShark frame and replace the original 4 wraps of Rev 1. This will lower the wind speed for Rev 1 and will start to act like a Zen, use 50 Lbs lines from 40 to 120 fits depending the wind and have fun. Pay attention if the wind become stronger then 5 MPH to change to the original frame and use 90-100 LBS lines. this is my setup for low wind when i do not feel to fly the White Zen

on mi SkyBond is find out to have that coating wear somewhere at the middle of the lines but closer to the handles with some fits where the lines have most of the time the tangling from different ballet figures

yep, with all and any lines the process is the same. you will not remove 100% of stretch because any material have an i removable elasticity before to break but you will be close to none that may affect the fly

SkyBond lines are coated with a polymer alloy make them more slippery and more durable to abrasion and water damage also to be more thinner and lighter then other lines at the same stretch. Ultimately the difference between different brands is the manufacturer, with or without core, the number of strands and the tighten between them. using one brand in favor of another is a personal choice of how you feel the line acting (i love SkyBond and i hate LaserPro, Laser and Shanti-Dineema being in between )

on e-Bay most of Dyneema lines are fishing lines and they are not pre-stretched even if they state to have 0 to none stretch. if you have time and you want good cheap lines you must to stretch them before to tide the second end and place the sleeve . i do wit that with a 50# lines for mi Zen and i find out at 40 fits to have around 2 fits stretch. is easy to stretch the lines using a weighing hook scale. sleeve one side of the line and anchor really good that side, go at the unsleeve end, tide the hook of the scale with 2 double 8 knots and start to pull gradual till close of the line strength maintaining the pull at desired value for couple of seconds. there you go! you have now a cheap line with insignificant stretch. i recommend you if you chose to buy from e-Bay lines to buy 8 strand lines and with this stretching there are better then Dyneema provided by kite stores.

light wind kites need 50# lines to fly. if the line is to heavy you will not have lift or the drag will be to much. all the time is a "play" between kite, lines and conditions. for Quantum 5 to 12 MPH you may use a 90# line but above that chance with 120-150#.

Rev 1,5 is having 31" spars, new Reflex models have also 31" spars. old Reflex are 32.6". i do not paid attention the question was referring to the NEW models