Wayne Dowler

Hopefully you find a place down there to continue! It's one of the hardest parts of indoor flying - finding a place to do it! School gyms, community center, indoor soccer fields, all are possibilities. Have this video handy on a tablet or laptop to show folks what you do. Congratulations!!

Mario is having some parts of his - 3D printed.Not sure if the battery holder and light standard are, but parts for sure. I have his older style lights and he had a certain part printed as a replacement for what he had used originally. Made setup much easier.

A bunch of us are using lights developed by Mario di Lucca from Island Quad, a team from Canada. They are set on your verticals, form a sort of "magic stick" style stand off, and back light the kite. Plain white LED's so far and no sequencing, changing colors, etc, but pretty solid. Older models had everything electronic on an exposed breadboard. Over the last 2 years, they have improved it a bunch - all components snap on the vertical ( light standard, battery), and a fancy loop that goes out to the end of the LE. Remove the cap, place loop over rod, put cap back on. The older models pretty much made you dedicate a set of verticals just for them. About the batteries - he uses 3.7 Lithium Ion, same size as a double "AA", you need 2, one for each vertical. Think I got 4 batteries and a dedicated charger for $20, the lights around $75.

I tried JB's at Long Beach on shorter lines (60'?), lots of fun. Didn't take too long to figure it out, but it is a bit weird having the kite in your face! But it opens up a bunch of new possibilities, interacting up close style with the kite. Mikey makes a real piece of art, using good quality parts, so it isn't cheap. But it is the best out there I've seen. JB and Mikey played with the design for quite a while, getting all the bugs worked out.

Terry and Sandy were some of the first out there, flying Phoenix Pro xtravents.

Did you meet any of the QSNW team? 2 of our members made it over from here! Terry and Sandy!

That would be a crazy center panel ........!!

The dual angled edge wasn't a fix for the flipping. It was for 45* landings and easier holding the upright position doing it. That angle allowed a little wind to pass through and cut back on resistance. JB mentioned it when he worked on the prototype. The only "fix" I know are "magic sticks". The center truss line physically won't let the sail bowtie when used with all the rest of the trusswork. I use them on my Zen. Usually it's a sign of trying to reverse too sharply and over controlling when doing that. Bazzer made those little mesh panels on the Phoenix to shed off some of the back pressure when going from forwards to backwards, but too much still flips it. So the cure is you learning how much you can give in reverse, before it flips, that fixes it. Or go the magic stick route - it's the only physical "fix" I know.

If in doubt - always go stronger, never weaker!!

On FB - try a group called - Quad Line Kites - you may be able to find people there, depending on location to you. Others would be - Sport Kite Pairs/Teams or Kite Flyers 2.0. May have some luck with those ....or here!! Never know .....?!?! And thanks for the invite!!

There are some here too, just not as many as there could be. A few groups had regular flies over there, don't know the travel situation. Might could be a group near by?? Just an ask - how's the chatter on the Rev forum? Haven't used it much myself after all the changes they did. Used to be a regular over there - stroke survivor" was my screen name. Made the move to here and also FaceBook. If you're a member there, try searching for any group pages in your area. Might also put you in touch with others.....?

England I would guess? Used to be many on the old Rev forum, but not as many have switched to here as wished. Still, there are some here, they might join in!

I like to compare my setup to a standard transmission - neutral is my goal. To go in either direction - I must "put it in gear". Really helps in gusts, as the kite doesn't just take off, all by itself. Yes the launch can be a bit more effort, but the control gained while airborne is well worth it! As Paul said - everybody has to find their own "comfort zone". A lot of new fliers feel like they need that extra zoom they get with lines in. But the kite is locked into forward drive too much. Loss of control while airborne is the result. Moving the top lines out gets the LE to fall back. Then when launched, it is more "square" to the wind and able to keep all the energy in the sail. We call it "squaring up the kite". Top lines in, the wind just dumps off the sail, because the angle is too much forward. Nice inverted side slides!! My only critique would be to let your arms out. Learn to fly with what other pilots call - "long arms". The kite doesn't respond to where those handles are in relation to your body, as much as how the handles are controlled by your hands. Forward is forward no matter how your hands are. Catch those adjustments moving the hands, but really try to get back to a more central position. Think about it ergonomically - if your hands are in the classic "fighter's position", how much movement backwards does that allow? Hands and arms are already close to the body and movement is limited. Now try arms extended some - see how much more you can move? And in more directions. Many of us fly holding the handles almost sideways! With arms extended, we have upwards, downwards, and sideways movement available. Try this - let the kite pull your arms away from the body. Feel the kite out there. Learn to work with it, not against it. That's your dance partner out there, learn to work with it. PS: a side effect of "long arms" is that your tension levels will decrease! All that scrunching in the neck and shoulders will go away and you will feel relaxed!! TRY IT!!

Never did post a pic of the Ozone - Ca Ike - did you buy it?

New member of the forum, but not a subscriber. Hard to say what is up. Tried sending a message?

Or WW = Wishing Wind ?

Thanks - but still confused. I understand it is an SUL type, but why not use those letters? Label me still confused!

Just to clear up my confusion what does WW mean? Pretty sure I've figured out most of the initials attached to a model, but not these.

Nice thing too, is that the anchor completely covers the end of the tube. Your leaders won't rub and fray on it. Some just loop their leaders over the screws and gently tighten, others larkshead them on. Really your choice ......! And ditto on the burr - those things are finger eaters!

Converting is pretty easy, even if moderately handy with some simple tools. But use strong needle nose or something and don't ruin the vinyl cap, unless you plan to replace it. Be careful and you shouldn't need to. Recovering ground is pretty simple: take the kite as high as possible and turn it over to inverted. Learn to feather the brakes as it descends and you move forward. You can gain a bunch of ground as you learn to "ride those brakes ".

NOW YOU HAVE MY #DJINNTENTION!!!

Shanti Speed will play nice, as will the LPG or SkyBond. SkyBond is actually a Shanti product. Not sure what is enclosed in the coating, but that is the latest "new" thing from them. I've flown all 3, some quad, some dualie, it all works.

I used dacron fabric on my Zen, JB used a ribbon called grosgrain (sp) for his upgrades. Guterman's thread. Pretty sure riff would agree or add his .02.

Where on the mesh? Close to the tape? Close to the sail? Middle? Close to sail or tape, you can sew it up with a zigzag hand stitch. Middle you could try the super glue method. Lay out the sail, put tape on the back of the mesh behind tear, Glue that side, wait to dry. Remove tape. Flip and do it again on this side. PS: I've never used this particular method, but heard great things about it. Be sparing with the glue, just enough! The other thing to do is add a folding strip where you break the kite in 1/3's. I like mine about the size of the vert strip - gives me more room to move my fold point around. This has always been the weak point on Rev's kites. Why others have gone to a different mesh or are using the "hole" method. The strip is one way of covering that spot up.

Really depends on what I'm doing: Team flying is 120' x 90/100# most times. We also use 85" x 50# in very light winds. Alone, it depends again on winds: 75/80' x 90# or the 85' x 50# mostly. Also use my 50' and 30" sets at times, usually for space reasons.